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Hi, Allison,

The Ampex patent recommends both 50 and 54 C (122 and 129 F) and I try
to hit the middle of that range using the thermocouple.

Having 8 tapes in the dehydrator may increase the length of baking
required, but the 1/2-inch tapes that failed to recover at 24 hours was
one particular batch and I did not know their storage history.

I do find that less than 24 hours is often problematic with tapes I get
in to transfer, so just running 1/4 inch tapes about 24 hours seems safe.

There is a much greater risk from pulling mag coat off if the baking is
under-done (or not done at all) than any damage that the baking at these
temperatures may cause (which, so far, I think is none).

I used to play a bit with the time-temperature ratio, but do not now.

The one time I baked a set of tapes a second time, it did not appear to 
be an issue, although others have reported being less lucky.

Cheers,

Richard



On 2014-02-24 10:31 AM, Smith, Allison wrote:
> Hello and thanks to everyone who has responded so far to my post -
>
> I'm intrigued by the dehydrator solution.  Richard, could you tell me
> what temperature you are setting the Nesco unit to, when you bake 24
> - 48 hours?   Is it the lowest setting?  If so, I'm wondering if the
> dehumidification process is less stressful / radical than traditional
> convection oven heating (higher temp for a shorter period of time) -
> letting the tape layers relax into place more naturally/gently?  Or,
> does this matter?  Anyone done a study?
>
> For those of you using the dehydrating solution - do you have a
> temperature/time ratio that you generally use, that you would share?
> Will you tell me the model you are using, with the temp/time?
>
> How have your tapes held up post - dehumidification?  Is it similar
> to baking - where you only get a few plays before the tape needs
> processing again?  Will they bake again if necessary?
>
> Thanks so much -
>
> Allison
>
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> Richard L. Hess Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 04:52 PM To:
> [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Recommendations -
> Convection ovens for baking tapes
>
> Hello, Allison,
>
> Many of us use the American Harvest food dehydrators from Nesco. I
> have had and used the same one for over 10 years and it still checks
> out OK. I would suggest checking the temperature dial from time to
> time with a nice thermocouple thermometer, especially since the
> out-of-factory calibration could be better, but the stability is
> about in a 2 C window which should be fine. The fast airflow removes
> the moisture and other volatile products, though a white filter over
> the air outlet has never become discoloured in my testing.
>
> I would, however, recommend using this with outside exhaust in a
> commercial application due to the possibility of someone saying they
> got sick because of it...stranger things have happened.
>
> I like this as each 10.5-inch reel fits on its own slotted shelf, no
> spacers required.
>
> The convert-a-tray shelves remove for laying in non-NAB hub reels.
>
> I have both the older unit with the fan in the base and this one.
> This one is my "moldy" machine which is kept in the garage for tapes
> that I do not want to contaminate my main one with. These URLs may
> get split...
>
> http://www.nesco.com/products/Dehydrators/Dehydrators/FD-60-Snackmaster-Express-Food-Dehydrator/
>
>  Also available in gray
>
> http://www.nesco.com/products/Dehydrators/Dehydrators/FD-61-Snackmaster-Encore-Food-Dehydrator/
>
>  convert-a-tray kits:
>
> http://www.nesco.com/products/Dehydrators/Add-a-Trays/Convert-A-Tray-Set-of-2-White/
>
>
> http://www.nesco.com/products/Dehydrators/Add-a-Trays/Convert-A-Tray-Set-of-2-Speckled/
>
>  These will take reels up to 12.5 inches in diameter.
>
> If you have 14-inch reels, the large one takes the tape pack but is
> about 1/4-inch shy for the flanges...
>
> http://www.nesco.com/products/Dehydrators/Dehydrators/FD-1010/
>
> and the add-a-trays to allow baking 1" tape--these are not adaptable,
> so I cut out the inner screen on four trays, making them just rings.
>
> http://www.nesco.com/products/Dehydrators/Add-a-Trays/Add-A-Tray-FD-1000-1010-1020-1040-Set-of-2-White-15-1-2/
>
>  I have probably processed over 1000 reels of tapes through my
> various dehydrators and all have worked well. In one month, I ran 114
> 10.5 inch reels of 1/2-inch tape, each tape being baked for 48 hours
> because a 24-hour bake was not enough. One reel was sent back for
> re-baking and ran through four 48-hour cycles and then played
> fine...it was Scotch 226, the others were all Ampex 406, if I recall
> correctly.
>
> I used the large oven to bake about a dozen instrumentation tapes
> containing seismometer signals of the Mount St. Helens volcanic
> eruption from 1980 and a few 14-inch reel master tapes.
>
> Obviously, many of the other scientific and production tools
> mentioned are fine, too. These are a very inexpensive, small, and
> fit-almost-anywhere solution that I and others have used with great
> success and no reported damage.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> On 2014-02-21 11:36 AM, Smith, Allison wrote:
>> Hello ARSC members -
>>
>> We are in the market to purchase a new convection oven for baking
>> tapes with sticky shed.  While we realize there are other methods
>> for dealing with this issue and are exploring them, we have to work
>> within a budget and timeframe that requires baking.
>>
>> The oven we currently use is not very good at accurately regulating
>> an even temperature, so, we are looking at some of the professional
>> brands, which can get quite expensive.  Can anyone recommend what
>> they are using, and let me know the make / model?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Allison
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