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Yes, 

February 10, 1922, as noted in the posting, so the DSO beat the NY Phil by 6 months. 

However, as a consolation, it appears that NYPO had the first national broadcast in 1930, 
4 years before the DSO began their Ford Hour broadcasts.


-- Leo Gillis

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On Thu, 3/20/14, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts
 To: [log in to unmask]
 Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 7:24 PM
 
 Can you supply date?
 
 New York Phil. Many summer Concerts were complete, the first
 being 8/11/22.  
 
 Steve Smolian
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
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 On Behalf Of Leo Gillis
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:09 PM
 To: [log in to unmask]
 Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts
 
 Hi Steve,
 
 There certainly were earlier broadcasts of classical music
 on the radio but it seems that the DSO was the first to do a
 full concert.
 
 This is from the DSO website:
 
 "In 1922, Gabrilowitsch led the orchestra and guest pianist
 Artur Schnabel in the world's first radio broadcast of a
 symphonic concert on WWJ-AM. "
 
 and from last.fm:
 
 "The DSO performed the world’s first radio broadcast of a
 symphonic concert on February 10, 1922 with pianist Artur
 Schnabel, and became the first nationally broadcast radio
 orchestra on the Ford Sunday Evening Hour, later Ford
 Symphony Hour from 1934 to 1942 on the Columbia Broadcast
 System."
 
 and from the Schabel Music Foundation:
 
 "Feb. 1922 --Schnabel coincidentally participated in the
 first live radio broadcast of a complete symphony orchestra
 concert. This was in Detroit, Michigan during his first
 American tour."
 
 
 There are only four instances of Schnabel mentioned in the
 performance archives of the DSO. The first two are for
 identical concerts on Feb. 9 and 10, 1922; the second
 performance was the one broadcast on WWJ (which, however,
 was still WBL at that time, and did not receive the call
 letters WWJ until March 3, 1922):
 
 
 Tenth Programme
 Subscription 10 
 
 Detroit Symphony Orchestra
 Thursday, February 09, 1922 
 
 Artists
 Ossip Gabrilowtisch, conductor
 Artur Schnabel, Piano
  
 Program
 Mendelssohn -  Overture from Calm Sea and Prosperous
 Voyage, Op. 27 Brahms -  Piano Concerto No.1 in D
 minor, Op.15 Intermission Tchaikovsky -  Symphony No. 6
 in B minor, Op. 74, "Pathétique"
 
 
 So when did the NYPO start their broadcasts? From their site
 we have:
 
 "Aug. 11, 1922 -    First broadcast by a
 major symphony orchestra, New York Philharmonic, 
 program conducted by Willem van Hoogstraten from Lewisohn
 Stadium."
 
 
 -- Leo Gillis
 
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 On Thu, 3/20/14, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour
 broadcasts
  To: [log in to unmask]
  Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 5:26 PM
  
  Hi, there, DDR et al,
  
  The New York Philharmonic was being broadcast regularly
 the
  previous year.  
  
  Steve Smolian
  
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  On Behalf Of Dennis Rooney
  Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:12 PM
  To: [log in to unmask]
  Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour
 broadcasts
  
  The 1923 broadcasts are authentic but unrecorded. The were
  conducted by
  Gabrilowitsch. They may have been the first radio
 broadcast
  of a regular
  symphony orchestra concert. The Minneapolis Symphony under
  Verbrugghen also
  broadcast in that same year.
  
  DDR
  
  
  On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:41 PM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]>
  wrote:
  
  > Thanks, Leo.  Great info.
  > Best, John
  >
  >
  > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Leo Gillis <[log in to unmask]>
  wrote:
  >
  > > The online archives of the DSO for the Ford
 Sunday
  Evening Hour goes 
  > > from
  > > 2/16/1934 to 3/8/1947. A couple are listed for
  1923, but I'm not 
  > > sure if those are correct.
  > >
  > > http://www.dso.org/performanceTitle.aspx?page_id=648
  > >
  > > The list of conductors includes:  Victor
  Kolar, Fritz Reiner, Mischa 
  > > Levitsky, Alexander Smallens, Charles Hackett,
  Richard Bonelli, Sir
  > Ernest
  > > MacMillan, Emma Otero, Franco Ghione, Elwyn
  Carter, Andre 
  > > Kostelanetz,
  > Sir
  > > John Barbirolli, Sir Thomas Beecham, Wilfrid
  Pelletier, Jose Iturbi,
  > George
  > > Szell, Sir Eugene Ormandy, Reginald Stewart,
  Artur, Rodzinaksi, 
  > > Eugene Goossens, Victor Kolar, Harold Koch,
 Dmitri
  Mitropoulos, Karl 
  > > Krueger, William Steinberg, Leonard Bernstein,
  Efrem Kurtz, and C.
  Valter Poole.
  > >
  > > The first few years were all Kolar, (DSO
 principal
  conductor) then 
  > > Reiner and Ormandy began appearing. Kolar,
 Reiner,
  Ormandy, Iturbi, 
  > > Pelletier
  > and
  > > Beecham did numerous performances, and many of
  these in later years 
  > > were held at the Music Hall, another fine, small
  venue in downtown 
  > > Detroit, still in operation. Several of the
  listings unfortunately 
  > > do not include the performance venue.
  > >
  > > -- Leo Gillis
  > >
  > >
  > >  On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Don Tait
  ([log in to unmask])
 
  
  > > <  [log in to unmask]>
  > >  wrote:
  > >
  > >  > I have tapes or private CD-Rs of some
  of those  broadcasts. From  
  > > circa  > 1941/2. Each 30 minutes. All I
  have are conducted by  Fritz 
  > > Reiner, who  > presumably took the train
  up from Pittsburgh for the  
  > > gig. I got the  > recordings  >
  from  fellow Reiner collectors and 
  > > have no idea  who might  have
  conducted  > other  > programs. As one 
  > > might expect, the selections are short 
  and  the musical  > gruel is 
  > > pretty thin. The "theme music" for each 
  program is the  French  > 
  > > horn  > "bedtime" music from Hansel und
  Gretel.
  > >  >
  > >  >   I do not remember
  whether the
  > >  announcer(s) said  from where the
  > >  > broadcasts originated. Sorry.
  > >  >
  > >  >   Don Tait
  > >  >
  > >  >
  > >  > In a message dated 3/18/2014 3:38:10
  P.M. Central  Daylight Time,  
  > > > [log in to unmask]
  > >  writes:
  > >  >
  > >  > Starting  in 1934 and continuing
  for a number of  years 
  > > thereafter, the  > Detroit 
 Symphony
  appeared on a radio program, 
  > > the  Ford Symphony Hour.
  > >  >  Some
  > >  > of  the most distinguished
  conductors of that time  regularly 
  > > guested on  > this  > show,
 which
  also featured big name soloists.
  > >  Preserved  broadcasts show
  > >  > that the orchestra was an excellent
 one
  during this  period,  and 
  > > the  > acoustics audible on these
  recordings sound OK, with a  touch 
  > > of  nice hall  > ambiance.  A
  number of these broadcasts are sought  
  > > after by  collectors.  I  >
  don't know where these shows were 
  > > recorded, but I  assume they predate
  the  > Ford Auditorium referred 
  > > to  previously.
  > >  >
  > >  > Best,
  > >  > John Haley
  > >
  > >
  >
  
  
  
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