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What a shame. I hope they will be able to resurrect these items with a machine that can play them correctly. Thanks, John On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > From: John Haley <[log in to unmask]> > > That's very interesting. Thanks for posting that, Mike. Do you > > know what the content was of those GE Hour symphony broadcasts? > > Thanks, John > > Yes I do but I don't have the materials handy. I also have a full set > of the DREADFUL transfers made from the ineptly designed playback > machine. I have not heard from them if they are going ahead with plans > to make another machine. Damrosch is quoted as saying that the sound of > the films was wonderful, so it has got to be that newly constructed > (distructed) playback machine. There are at least 10 full programs > including the one he had listened to. The guy who made the machine was > a computer programmer and I guess he didn't realize that analog > recordings did not re-clock for jitter. > > Mike Biel [log in to unmask] > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > From: John Haley <[log in to unmask]> > > > Here's a link to a cite that discusses the earliest radio broadcasts > > >(not limited to symphonic), based on the expertise of ARSC;s own > Dr.Biel. > > > http://www.old-time.com/mcleod/ Best, John Haley > > > > It has been a while since Elizabeth has updated this essay, so she does > > not include new discoveries such as the June 1924 WEAF excerpts of > > Victor Herbert's "Sweethearts" from the memorial performance on the > > stage of the Capitol theater and excerpts of the Roxy's gang show which > > followed; the 1925 broadcast sign-off from the Kansas City radio > > convention featuring many famous announcers from around the country; and > > the many WGY recordings from 1929 and 1930 Pallophotophone films > > including some complete G.E Hour symphony broadcasts, B.A. Rolfe Lucky > > Strike Orch, and other excerpts including a high school basketball game > > called by Graham McNamee. The films were played on a machine they made > > without any flywheel stabilizing, thus are nearly unlistenable until > > they get a machine built by an audio expert. > > > > > > Mike Biel [log in to unmask] > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > > > > > I have often wondered,what is the earliest surviving recording of a > > > symphony orchestra radio broadcast? > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:51:58 -0700 > > > > From: [log in to unmask] > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > Yes, > > > > > > > > February 10, 1922, as noted in the posting, so the DSO beat the NY > Phil > > > by 6 months. > > > > > > > > However, as a consolation, it appears that NYPO had the first > national > > > broadcast in 1930, > > > > 4 years before the DSO began their Ford Hour broadcasts. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Leo Gillis > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > On Thu, 3/20/14, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 7:24 PM > > > > > > > > Can you supply date? > > > > > > > > New York Phil. Many summer Concerts were complete, the first > > > > being 8/11/22. > > > > > > > > Steve Smolian > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List > > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > > On Behalf Of Leo Gillis > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:09 PM > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts > > > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > > > There certainly were earlier broadcasts of classical music > > > > on the radio but it seems that the DSO was the first to do a > > > > full concert. > > > > > > > > This is from the DSO website: > > > > > > > > "In 1922, Gabrilowitsch led the orchestra and guest pianist > > > > Artur Schnabel in the world's first radio broadcast of a > > > > symphonic concert on WWJ-AM. " > > > > > > > > and from last.fm: > > > > > > > > "The DSO performed the world's first radio broadcast of a > > > > symphonic concert on February 10, 1922 with pianist Artur > > > > Schnabel, and became the first nationally broadcast radio > > > > orchestra on the Ford Sunday Evening Hour, later Ford > > > > Symphony Hour from 1934 to 1942 on the Columbia Broadcast > > > > System." > > > > > > > > and from the Schabel Music Foundation: > > > > > > > > "Feb. 1922 --Schnabel coincidentally participated in the > > > > first live radio broadcast of a complete symphony orchestra > > > > concert. This was in Detroit, Michigan during his first > > > > American tour." > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only four instances of Schnabel mentioned in the > > > > performance archives of the DSO. The first two are for > > > > identical concerts on Feb. 9 and 10, 1922; the second > > > > performance was the one broadcast on WWJ (which, however, > > > > was still WBL at that time, and did not receive the call > > > > letters WWJ until March 3, 1922): > > > > > > > > > > > > Tenth Programme > > > > Subscription 10 > > > > > > > > Detroit Symphony Orchestra > > > > Thursday, February 09, 1922 > > > > > > > > Artists > > > > Ossip Gabrilowtisch, conductor > > > > Artur Schnabel, Piano > > > > > > > > Program > > > > Mendelssohn - Overture from Calm Sea and Prosperous > > > > Voyage, Op. 27 Brahms - Piano Concerto No.1 in D > > > > minor, Op.15 Intermission Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 6 > > > > in B minor, Op. 74, "Pathétique" > > > > > > > > > > > > So when did the NYPO start their broadcasts? From their site > > > > we have: > > > > > > > > "Aug. 11, 1922 - First broadcast by a > > > > major symphony orchestra, New York Philharmonic, > > > > program conducted by Willem van Hoogstraten from Lewisohn > > > > Stadium." > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Leo Gillis > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > On Thu, 3/20/14, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour > > > > broadcasts > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 5:26 PM > > > > > > > > Hi, there, DDR et al, > > > > > > > > The New York Philharmonic was being broadcast regularly > > > > the > > > > previous year. > > > > > > > > Steve Smolian > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List > > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > > On Behalf Of Dennis Rooney > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:12 PM > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour > > > > broadcasts > > > > > > > > The 1923 broadcasts are authentic but unrecorded. The were > > > > conducted by > > > > Gabrilowitsch. They may have been the first radio > > > > broadcast > > > > of a regular > > > > symphony orchestra concert. The Minneapolis Symphony under > > > > Verbrugghen also > > > > broadcast in that same year. > > > > > > > > DDR > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:41 PM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Leo. Great info. > > > > > Best, John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Leo Gillis <[log in to unmask] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The online archives of the DSO for the Ford > > > > Sunday > > > > Evening Hour goes > > > > > > from > > > > > > 2/16/1934 to 3/8/1947. A couple are listed for > > > > 1923, but I'm not > > > > > > sure if those are correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dso.org/performanceTitle.aspx?page_id=648 > > > > > > > > > > > > The list of conductors includes: Victor > > > > Kolar, Fritz Reiner, Mischa > > > > > > Levitsky, Alexander Smallens, Charles Hackett, > > > > Richard Bonelli, Sir > > > > > Ernest > > > > > > MacMillan, Emma Otero, Franco Ghione, Elwyn > > > > Carter, Andre > > > > > > Kostelanetz, > > > > > Sir > > > > > > John Barbirolli, Sir Thomas Beecham, Wilfrid > > > > Pelletier, Jose Iturbi, > > > > > George > > > > > > Szell, Sir Eugene Ormandy, Reginald Stewart, > > > > Artur, Rodzinaksi, > > > > > > Eugene Goossens, Victor Kolar, Harold Koch, > > > > Dmitri > > > > Mitropoulos, Karl > > > > > > Krueger, William Steinberg, Leonard Bernstein, > > > > Efrem Kurtz, and C. > > > > Valter Poole. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first few years were all Kolar, (DSO > > > > principal > > > > conductor) then > > > > > > Reiner and Ormandy began appearing. Kolar, > > > > Reiner, > > > > Ormandy, Iturbi, > > > > > > Pelletier > > > > > and > > > > > > Beecham did numerous performances, and many of > > > > these in later years > > > > > > were held at the Music Hall, another fine, small > > > > venue in downtown > > > > > > Detroit, still in operation. Several of the > > > > listings unfortunately > > > > > > do not include the performance venue. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Leo Gillis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Don Tait > > > > ([log in to unmask]) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < [log in to unmask]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tapes or private CD-Rs of some > > > > of those broadcasts. From > > > > > > circa > 1941/2. Each 30 minutes. All I > > > > have are conducted by Fritz > > > > > > Reiner, who > presumably took the train > > > > up from Pittsburgh for the > > > > > > gig. I got the > recordings > > > > > from fellow Reiner collectors and > > > > > > have no idea who might have > > > > conducted > other > programs. As one > > > > > > might expect, the selections are short > > > > and the musical > gruel is > > > > > > pretty thin. The "theme music" for each > > > > program is the French > > > > > > > horn > "bedtime" music from Hansel und > > > > Gretel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not remember > > > > whether the > > > > > > announcer(s) said from where the > > > > > > > broadcasts originated. Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don Tait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/18/2014 3:38:10 > > > > P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > > [log in to unmask] > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Starting in 1934 and continuing > > > > for a number of years > > > > > > thereafter, the > Detroit > > > > Symphony > > > > appeared on a radio program, > > > > > > the Ford Symphony Hour. > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > of the most distinguished > > > > conductors of that time regularly > > > > > > guested on > this > show, > > > > which > > > > also featured big name soloists. > > > > > > Preserved broadcasts show > > > > > > > that the orchestra was an excellent > > > > one > > > > during this period, and > > > > > > the > acoustics audible on these > > > > recordings sound OK, with a touch > > > > > > of nice hall > ambiance. A > > > > number of these broadcasts are sought > > > > > > after by collectors. I > > > > > don't know where these shows were > > > > > > recorded, but I assume they predate > > > > the > Ford Auditorium referred > > > > > > to previously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > John Haley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > 1006 Langer Way > > > > Delray Beach, FL 33483 > > > > 212.874.9626 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >