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Thanks for this information Mike.This may seem like a really basic question,but the earliest radio transcription records I have seen of full programs are from around 1929-30.When most radio shows from the 1920s were recorded,were they cut to lacquer?
 
Roger
 
> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:41:07 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts
> To: [log in to unmask]
> 
> What a shame.  I hope they will be able to resurrect these items with a
> machine that can play them correctly.
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > From: John Haley <[log in to unmask]>
> > > That's very interesting. Thanks for posting that, Mike. Do you
> > > know what the content was of those GE Hour symphony broadcasts?
> > > Thanks, John
> >
> > Yes I do but I don't have the materials handy.  I also have a full set
> > of the DREADFUL transfers made from the ineptly designed playback
> > machine.  I have not heard from them if they are going ahead with plans
> > to make another machine.  Damrosch is quoted as saying that the sound of
> > the films was wonderful, so it has got to be that newly constructed
> > (distructed) playback machine. There are at least 10 full programs
> > including the one he had listened to.  The guy who made the machine was
> > a computer programmer and I guess he didn't realize that analog
> > recordings did not re-clock for jitter.
> >
> > Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > From: John Haley <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Here's a link to a cite that discusses the earliest radio broadcasts
> > > >(not limited to symphonic), based on the expertise of ARSC;s own
> > Dr.Biel.
> > > > http://www.old-time.com/mcleod/ Best, John Haley
> > >
> > > It has been a while since Elizabeth has updated this essay, so she does
> > > not include new discoveries such as the June 1924 WEAF excerpts of
> > > Victor Herbert's "Sweethearts" from the memorial performance on the
> > > stage of the Capitol theater and excerpts of the Roxy's gang show which
> > > followed; the 1925 broadcast sign-off from the Kansas City radio
> > > convention featuring many famous announcers from around the country; and
> > > the many WGY recordings from 1929 and 1930 Pallophotophone films
> > > including some complete G.E Hour symphony broadcasts, B.A. Rolfe Lucky
> > > Strike Orch, and other excerpts including a high school basketball game
> > > called by Graham McNamee. The films were played on a machine they made
> > > without any flywheel stabilizing, thus are nearly unlistenable until
> > > they get a machine built by an audio expert.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have often wondered,what is the earliest surviving recording of a
> > > > symphony orchestra radio broadcast?
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:51:58 -0700
> > > > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes,
> > > > >
> > > > > February 10, 1922, as noted in the posting, so the DSO beat the NY
> > Phil
> > > > by 6 months.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, as a consolation, it appears that NYPO had the first
> > national
> > > > broadcast in 1930,
> > > > > 4 years before the DSO began their Ford Hour broadcasts.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Leo Gillis
> > > > >
> > > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > > On Thu, 3/20/14, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 7:24 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you supply date?
> > > > >
> > > > > New York Phil. Many summer Concerts were complete, the first
> > > > > being 8/11/22.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Smolian
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Leo Gillis
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:09 PM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Steve,
> > > > >
> > > > > There certainly were earlier broadcasts of classical music
> > > > > on the radio but it seems that the DSO was the first to do a
> > > > > full concert.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is from the DSO website:
> > > > >
> > > > > "In 1922, Gabrilowitsch led the orchestra and guest pianist
> > > > > Artur Schnabel in the world's first radio broadcast of a
> > > > > symphonic concert on WWJ-AM. "
> > > > >
> > > > > and from last.fm:
> > > > >
> > > > > "The DSO performed the world's first radio broadcast of a
> > > > > symphonic concert on February 10, 1922 with pianist Artur
> > > > > Schnabel, and became the first nationally broadcast radio
> > > > > orchestra on the Ford Sunday Evening Hour, later Ford
> > > > > Symphony Hour from 1934 to 1942 on the Columbia Broadcast
> > > > > System."
> > > > >
> > > > > and from the Schabel Music Foundation:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Feb. 1922 --Schnabel coincidentally participated in the
> > > > > first live radio broadcast of a complete symphony orchestra
> > > > > concert. This was in Detroit, Michigan during his first
> > > > > American tour."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There are only four instances of Schnabel mentioned in the
> > > > > performance archives of the DSO. The first two are for
> > > > > identical concerts on Feb. 9 and 10, 1922; the second
> > > > > performance was the one broadcast on WWJ (which, however,
> > > > > was still WBL at that time, and did not receive the call
> > > > > letters WWJ until March 3, 1922):
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tenth Programme
> > > > > Subscription 10
> > > > >
> > > > > Detroit Symphony Orchestra
> > > > > Thursday, February 09, 1922
> > > > >
> > > > > Artists
> > > > > Ossip Gabrilowtisch, conductor
> > > > > Artur Schnabel, Piano
> > > > >
> > > > > Program
> > > > > Mendelssohn - Overture from Calm Sea and Prosperous
> > > > > Voyage, Op. 27 Brahms - Piano Concerto No.1 in D
> > > > > minor, Op.15 Intermission Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 6
> > > > > in B minor, Op. 74, "Pathétique"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So when did the NYPO start their broadcasts? From their site
> > > > > we have:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aug. 11, 1922 - First broadcast by a
> > > > > major symphony orchestra, New York Philharmonic,
> > > > > program conducted by Willem van Hoogstraten from Lewisohn
> > > > > Stadium."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Leo Gillis
> > > > >
> > > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > > On Thu, 3/20/14, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour
> > > > > broadcasts
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 5:26 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, there, DDR et al,
> > > > >
> > > > > The New York Philharmonic was being broadcast regularly
> > > > > the
> > > > > previous year.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Smolian
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Dennis Rooney
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:12 PM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour
> > > > > broadcasts
> > > > >
> > > > > The 1923 broadcasts are authentic but unrecorded. The were
> > > > > conducted by
> > > > > Gabrilowitsch. They may have been the first radio
> > > > > broadcast
> > > > > of a regular
> > > > > symphony orchestra concert. The Minneapolis Symphony under
> > > > > Verbrugghen also
> > > > > broadcast in that same year.
> > > > >
> > > > > DDR
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:41 PM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks, Leo. Great info.
> > > > > > Best, John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Leo Gillis <[log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The online archives of the DSO for the Ford
> > > > > Sunday
> > > > > Evening Hour goes
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > 2/16/1934 to 3/8/1947. A couple are listed for
> > > > > 1923, but I'm not
> > > > > > > sure if those are correct.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.dso.org/performanceTitle.aspx?page_id=648
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The list of conductors includes: Victor
> > > > > Kolar, Fritz Reiner, Mischa
> > > > > > > Levitsky, Alexander Smallens, Charles Hackett,
> > > > > Richard Bonelli, Sir
> > > > > > Ernest
> > > > > > > MacMillan, Emma Otero, Franco Ghione, Elwyn
> > > > > Carter, Andre
> > > > > > > Kostelanetz,
> > > > > > Sir
> > > > > > > John Barbirolli, Sir Thomas Beecham, Wilfrid
> > > > > Pelletier, Jose Iturbi,
> > > > > > George
> > > > > > > Szell, Sir Eugene Ormandy, Reginald Stewart,
> > > > > Artur, Rodzinaksi,
> > > > > > > Eugene Goossens, Victor Kolar, Harold Koch,
> > > > > Dmitri
> > > > > Mitropoulos, Karl
> > > > > > > Krueger, William Steinberg, Leonard Bernstein,
> > > > > Efrem Kurtz, and C.
> > > > > Valter Poole.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The first few years were all Kolar, (DSO
> > > > > principal
> > > > > conductor) then
> > > > > > > Reiner and Ormandy began appearing. Kolar,
> > > > > Reiner,
> > > > > Ormandy, Iturbi,
> > > > > > > Pelletier
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > Beecham did numerous performances, and many of
> > > > > these in later years
> > > > > > > were held at the Music Hall, another fine, small
> > > > > venue in downtown
> > > > > > > Detroit, still in operation. Several of the
> > > > > listings unfortunately
> > > > > > > do not include the performance venue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Leo Gillis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Don Tait
> > > > > ([log in to unmask])
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > < [log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have tapes or private CD-Rs of some
> > > > > of those broadcasts. From
> > > > > > > circa > 1941/2. Each 30 minutes. All I
> > > > > have are conducted by Fritz
> > > > > > > Reiner, who > presumably took the train
> > > > > up from Pittsburgh for the
> > > > > > > gig. I got the > recordings >
> > > > > from fellow Reiner collectors and
> > > > > > > have no idea who might have
> > > > > conducted > other > programs. As one
> > > > > > > might expect, the selections are short
> > > > > and the musical > gruel is
> > > > > > > pretty thin. The "theme music" for each
> > > > > program is the French >
> > > > > > > horn > "bedtime" music from Hansel und
> > > > > Gretel.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I do not remember
> > > > > whether the
> > > > > > > announcer(s) said from where the
> > > > > > > > broadcasts originated. Sorry.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Don Tait
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/18/2014 3:38:10
> > > > > P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > > > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Starting in 1934 and continuing
> > > > > for a number of years
> > > > > > > thereafter, the > Detroit
> > > > > Symphony
> > > > > appeared on a radio program,
> > > > > > > the Ford Symphony Hour.
> > > > > > > > Some
> > > > > > > > of the most distinguished
> > > > > conductors of that time regularly
> > > > > > > guested on > this > show,
> > > > > which
> > > > > also featured big name soloists.
> > > > > > > Preserved broadcasts show
> > > > > > > > that the orchestra was an excellent
> > > > > one
> > > > > during this period, and
> > > > > > > the > acoustics audible on these
> > > > > recordings sound OK, with a touch
> > > > > > > of nice hall > ambiance. A
> > > > > number of these broadcasts are sought
> > > > > > > after by collectors. I >
> > > > > don't know where these shows were
> > > > > > > recorded, but I assume they predate
> > > > > the > Ford Auditorium referred
> > > > > > > to previously.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > John Haley
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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