I agree with Peter. On 7 Apr 2014, at 19:54, Peter Constable <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I�m not in favour of encoding �Shikomor� in any part of ISO 639. > > This term refers to a fictional language of convenience: Comoros refers to it in their constitution as though it were a language, but in reality there is not a single Comorian language. This is a bit like Filipino, a desire by the government to have a single unifying language, except that in the case of Filipino there actually was some progress and some measure of success in engineering a unifying language. From what I understand, that has not at all happened in Comoros. > > That means, for instance, that there will not be any documents, Web pages or other kinds of content that need to be described as being in �Shikomor�. Even the government that asserts a �Shikomor� language does not appear to publish anything claiming to be in �Shikomor�. > > To encode in any part, it would need to qualify for inclusion in 639-3, the part that has is the most comprehensive. Even there, I don�t see a need to encode. But even if it were decided that there were some value in encoding the notion �Shikomor� in 639-3, I don�t think it would qualify for inclusion in 639-2 due to lack of documents. Also, I would not support encoding in 639-1 under any condition as there is no benefit to be gained, but costs to be incurred by many. > > G�rard�s interest appears to be to fill in a table in ISO 3166 pertaining to administrative languages. I think this is a good example of why it is a bad idea for ISO 3166 to have included such a table in the first place � which the JAC advised TC46 against doing in DIS ballot comments. > > > > Peter > > > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Zagas, John > Sent: April 7, 2014 6:32 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: ISO 639-1 language code request for "Shikomor" > > Dear JAC colleagues, > > I recently received a request from G�rard Lang (see below) proposing that a code be created in ISO 639-1 and ISO 639-2 for the language, "Shikomor". I submit this request to the JAC for review and discussion. I should note that though the request is for creating the code in both Parts 1 and 2 (new language codes cannot be defined in Part 1 without a Part 2 counterpart), the requester's primary objective is to have the code defined in ISO 639-1. As there have recently been long discussions on the ISOJAC Listserv concerning the advisability of creating new codes in ISO 639-1, the discussion for this request will be limited to a brief time span (a week to ten days at the most). I look forward to your comments. > > John Zagas > JAC Chair > > =========================== > >> Request for new ISO language code. > >> > >> English name of Language: Shikomor > >> French name of Language: Comorien > >> Reference: > >> Vernacular name of Language: Shikomor > >> Transliteration: > >> Evidence: All federal laws of Comoros > >> All local laws in each of the three federated islands Treaties with other countries > >> National Evidence: Government of Comoros > >> Size Evidence: national literature > >> Official Evidence: National language by article 1 of the Constitution > >> Education Evidence: In the three federated islands of Comoros > >> Additional Info: 500 000 > >> ISO 639-2 only : > >> ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-1 : yes > >> three_code_suggestion : coi > >> two_code_suggestion : cm > >> Submitter's name: G�rard LANG > >> Submitter's email : [log in to unmask] > >> Submitter's status : Liaison officer from ISO/TC 46 to ISO/TC 37 > ================================= Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/