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Good comment about Reiner and percussion, Don. Reminds me of his fantastic recording of Johann Strauss, Jr.'s Thunder and Lightning Polka, which is a subwoofer demo *par excellence*, especially on the SACD. I didn't realize he also added tympani parts where not written. Can you think of any examples? Best, John Haley On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Steve Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I love that Prokofiev piano recording. It's enthusiatically played by a > true believer in the piece. It just about leaps out of the speakers. > Great record. > > Steve Smolian. > > -----Original Message----- From: Donald Tait > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:07 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Dora Labbette, Soprano with string quartette: The > Flowers of the Forests, 1925? > > Reiner also studied percussion as a student in Budapest. Including > timpani, which might help explain the added prominence of and occasional > added timpani parts in his CSO recordings (it's harder to tell with his > Pittsburgh and other recordings). I remember talking to Sam Denov, who was > then a retired member of the Chicago Symphony's percussion section. He said > "Reiner was DEATH on percussion." Meaning that he not only heard > everything, which was a given, but that he knew exactly what he wanted and > wouldn't settle until he got it. Sam was speaking from his personal CSO > experience.... > > Also, Reiner made piano rolls in 1925 et seq. Four-hand versions in which > he was credited as being one of the two pianists and others in which he was > credited as the "conductor." Philip Hart wrote about it on page 44 of his > biography of Reiner. > > Don Tait > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Haley <[log in to unmask]> > To: ARSCLIST <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 8:50 am > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Dora Labbette, Soprano with string quartette: The > Flowers of the Forests, 1925? > > > I just looked up Fiedler in Wiki, and while born in Boston, his parents > moved to Europe (Vienna and Berlin) and he studied violin with Willy Hess > at the Berlin Hochschule. I didn't see mention of the Johann Strauss III's > orchestra, but that is possible. I might be wrong about his playing the > viola. Monteux was a violist, and both Reiner and Mitropoulos were > pianists. We have a recording of Mitropoulos performing and conducting a > Prokofiev concerto. > > Best, > John Haley > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > Szell,Walter,Solti,and Bernstein all made very famous recordings as >> pianists.I have seen it reported that Fiedler played in Johann Strauss >> III's orchestra as a student.Is there any truth to this? >> >> Roger >> >> > Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 12:45:19 -0400 >> > From: [log in to unmask] >> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Dora Labbette, Soprano with string quartette: >> The Flowers of the Forests, 1925? >> > To: [log in to unmask] >> > >> > I believe Fiedler (whose name means "fiddler") was also a violist. But >> the >> > violists are in good company with composers. Beethoven, Rossini and >> Mozart >> > all played the viola, I believe, altho both Beethoven and Mozart had >> > performing careers as pianists. Most of the famous violinists of the >> 19th >> > Century, and before, were also composers. >> > >> > Best, John >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Dave Burnham <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > You're right. And an inordinate number were cellists, the ones you >> mention >> > > along with Kindler, Bourdon, Casals and Rostropovich. I think >> Hindemith did >> > > some conducting as well which would fill out the picture by including >> > > a >> > > violist. >> > > >> > > db >> > > >> > > Sent from my iPhone >> > > >> > > > On May 4, 2014, at 10:48 AM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Most of the great conductors were/are in fact string players, not >> > > pianists. >> > > > Szell, Walter, Solti and Bernstein were pianists, and Stokowski was >> an >> > > > organist (his first job in the US was as organist for St. Bart's >> Church >> > > in >> > > > Manhattan). Most of the rest were string players. Munch was a >> > > > concertmaster under Furtwaengler. Toscanini and Barbirolli were >> > > cellists. >> > > > Koussevitzsky was a bass fiddle virtuoso. Ormandy was the most >> famous >> > > > violin student of Hubay, Szigeti's teacher. >> > > > >> > > > Best, >> > > > John Haley >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Nick Morgan < >> > > > [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> I suppose most conductors trained before orchestral recording > > >> >> became >> > > >> widespread must have been able to - does anyone know of any that >> > > couldn't? >> > > >> >> > > >> Nick >> > > >> -----Original Message----- >> > > >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List >> > > >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dave Burnham >> > > >> Sent: 04 May 2014 04:11 >> > > >> To: [log in to unmask] >> > > >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Dora Labette, Soprano with string >> quartette: The >> > > >> Flowers of the Forests, 1925? >> > > >> >> > > >> I recently came across a record by Dora Labette with Beecham at the >> > > piano; >> > > >> never realized he could play the piano. >> > > >> >> > > >> db >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >>