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Tom I don't know what circles you move in but I know a lot of people who neither nor care to know how to rip CDs and none of them are mentally inept. In my business I deal with a lot of older folks who fall into that category - I'm 71 and have no problems but that's because I was trained as engineer and I need to know about all the latest advances because of my business - which I will soon be closing. But I think that there are a lot of people my age and older who either are not interested in the internet (yes, it's true) or just use a computer for email. I do agree with you that paying for 128 kbps files is ridiculous but I don't think any of the official download services go that low. Personally I wish there was the option to get files in FLAC formbut there are very few organizations offering this. Frank Frank Scott Roots & Rhythm P.O. Box 837 El Cerrito, CA 94530, USA [log in to unmask] 510-526-8373 TOLL FREE: 888-ROOTS-66 www.rootsandrhythm.com -----Original Message----- From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Fine Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:17 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [MLA-L] Future of CDs To my thinking, lossy downloads are the dumbest example of foolish over-paying for alleged "convenience." Only someone very mentally inept can't learn how to rip CDs into iTunes if they want to put the music on their devices. Meanwhile, CDs often cost less than the album price at iTunes (not always the case with Amazon, which generally has lower pricing for downloads). I'm OK in some cases to pay half or less CD pricing for 256 or 320kbps lossy files, but I have never paid a penny for 128kbps, and I only pay for the less-lossy versions when the CD is either unavailable or ridicu-priced. Fair pricing to me is: $5 or less per album for lossy (256 or 320kbps) downloads, minus album art; $5-10 for a real-deal manufactured CD with a real-deal case and booklet; $10-15 per album for 96/24 or 192/24 downloads including a PDF of the CD booklet. The market right now generally provides that kind of pricing for CDs, but not for either lossy or high-rez downloads, so I buy mostly CDs right now. -- Tom Fine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Music Hunter" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [MLA-L] Future of CDs >I think that some/many in the general public have moved to downloads but > fortunately our library sales are still very strong. > > I have a 24 year old daughter that used to ask me to get her CDs very often > but not so for the past couple of years. I think that she has only asked for > 1 CD so far in 2014. > > Jay > > Your search for sound & video ends here! > Jay Sonin, General Manager > Music Hunter Distributing Company > 4880 North Citation Drive, Suite # 101 > Delray Beach, Florida 33445-6552 > [log in to unmask] > 561-450-7152 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Griscom [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 11:29 AM > To: MLA-L > Subject: [MLA-L] Future of CDs > > The CD might not be dying anytime soon, but there is clearly a trend away > from the purchase of physical objects toward the purchase of digital > downloads: > > http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/digital-and-mobile/5901188/cd-alb > um-sales-fall-behind-album-downloads-is-2014-the > > Dick > > -- > Richard Griscom > Head, Otto E. Albrecht Music Library and office 215/898-3450 > Eugene Ormandy Music and Media Center > Interim Head, Fisher Fine Arts Library office 215/573-4635 > University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia PA 19104-6206 > >