Hi Roger:

Got tip, but this one won't take them if they don't plan to put them out in the store. They don't 
have budget for e-waste, whatever that is. I don't even think they have a full-sized dumpster. Stuff 
moves through there pretty quickly. Alas, almost all of the LPs they get are beat to junk or wet and 

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Kulp" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Old media don't die, they just submerge and wait for hipsters to "discover" 

> Most Goodwills  treat old electronics as e-waste.This can include very desirable tube amps.You 
> might try your local Craigslist.
> Roger
>> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 13:24:18 -0400
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Old media don't die, they just submerge and wait for hipsters to 
>> "discover" them
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> One thing this discussion has convinced me -- I am definitely going to drop off my small pile of 
>> old
>> VHS machines at the Goodwill Industries store rather than dumpster them. Some film buff may need 
>> a
>> working player at some point.
>> In fact, if anyone wants to pick up a small pile of consumer VHS machines, all working, plus a 
>> 4x1
>> switcher/detailer for composite NTSC video, ping me off-list. Pickup only, in northern 
>> Westchester
>> County NY.
>> -- Tom Fine
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "J.D. Connor" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Old media don't die, they just submerge and wait for hipsters to 
>> "discover"
>> them
>> >I just want to back up what Robin and Arthur said: VHS (and even PAL) are essential for film
>> >archives, even beyond the homemovies or obscure, foreign, and downmarket titles from vanished
>> >distributors. Here at Yale, we’ve been through several rounds of tape-deaccessioning, and it is
>> >always striking what hasn’t been reissued, or what has only been reissued in a new version. For
>> >those of us interested in sound, this is especially true. I can’t even count the number of DVD
>> >releases of mono films in new 5.1 mixes. All this spatialization may be lovely, but it isn’t 
>> >even
>> >close to what the past sounded like. Or take Walter Murch’s recut versions of the Godfather 
>> >films
>> >which combined 1 & 2 as the Godfather 1902–1959 ad  1, 2, and 3 as The Godfather Trilogy. Those 
>> >are
>> >VHS (and laserdisc for the latter), and they are an essential bridge from the 80s miniseries to
>> >today’s new “golden age” of serial television. Similarly, the PG-version of Saturday Night Fever 
>> >is
>> >VHS only. Someday someone at Paramount will properly clean these up and release them in another
>> >form, but there are thousands more titles waiting in that queue.
>> >
>> > J.D. Connor
>> > Film Studies/Art History
>> > Yale University
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 21, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Arthur Gaer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have friends who owned a small chain of art video stores.  They had—and kept hold
>> >> of—*thousands* of films on VHS that never had a DVD release.
>> >>
>> >> These weren’t just low budget pictures.  There were lots of art films, non-narrative 
>> >> experimental
>> >> films, and *especially* lots of foreign films, often from significant directors--and 
>> >> significant
>> >> American directors who did some work with small production companies--that had a single VHS
>> >> release and that was that.
>> >>
>> >> Especially with foreign films it was frequently the case that the rights would be owned by 
>> >> small,
>> >> sometimes one-off, production companies.  They’d lease the rights for US distribution for a
>> >> limited period.  When those rights expired the original rights holders had simply
>> >> disappeared—there was no one to negotiate with.  Furthermore the original film elements, 
>> >> negative
>> >> or prints, were also nowhere to be found.  They may, or may not, be sitting in warehouses
>> >> somewhere in the world, but nobody knows where.  And you can’t make a releasable DVD when your
>> >> only available version is a VHS tape.
>> >>
>> >> There can also be other impediments—music rights only negotiated for VHS and things like 
>> >> that—but
>> >> with the foreign and arty films it seems most often there’s simply no material left to create 
>> >> a
>> >> new release and no one to buy it from.  And with likely sales at best somewhere around 1-3,000
>> >> copies nobody can really afford to track it all down let alone do the digital transfer work, 
>> >> etc.
>> >>
>> >> It’s a huge problem for those doing serious cinema studies: frequently the only non-theatrical
>> >> version was released on VHS, and good luck finding that, let alone any 35mm prints.
>> >>
>> >> In my friend’s case, when they closed their last store they sold something like 2,000 of their
>> >> rarest VHS’s to a local university film department who managed to raise private funds to buy
>> >> them, at a significant discount off the eBay price.  They were ecstatic to get some of those
>> >> movies.
>> >>
>> >> For the hipsters the fun in VHS may be in obscure 80s slasher and 70s asian grindhouse films, 
>> >> but
>> >> for film studies it’s actually a sole source of significant research material.
>> >>
>> >> Arthur Gaer
>> >> [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On May 21, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Robin Hendrickson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> It's not just low-budget horror or comedies that haven't made it to DVD.
>> >>>
>> >>> Consider the zillions of hours of amateur or home-made recordings
>> >>> people made during the VHS era, both off of the TV and using
>> >>> videocameras. There's gold in those mountains of VHS tapes piled up at
>> >>> the curb or at the Salvation Army. Lots of these VHS tapes contain
>> >>> recordings that are archived nowhere else and are worthy of
>> >>> exploration.
>> >>>
>> >>> Same goes for audio cassettes! (And 8mm films, and 35mm slides, and...)
>> >>>
>> >>> Note, I didn't say it was SOLID gold... But there are jewels to be found indeed.
>> >>>
>> >>> - Robin
>> >
>> >