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My big problem with Reiner is his huge cut in the 1812 Overture. But you're right, John, his Thunder and Lightning polka is spectacular!  

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> On May 6, 2014, at 1:25 AM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> Good comment about Reiner and percussion, Don.  Reminds me of his fantastic
> recording of Johann Strauss, Jr.'s Thunder and Lightning Polka, which is a
> subwoofer demo *par excellence*, especially on the SACD.  I didn't realize
> he also added tympani parts where not written.  Can you think of any
> examples?
> 
> Best,
> John Haley
> 
> 
>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Steve Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> I love that Prokofiev piano recording.   It's enthusiatically played by a
>> true believer in the piece.  It just about leaps out of the speakers.
>> Great record.
>> 
>> Steve Smolian.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Donald Tait
>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:07 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Dora Labbette, Soprano with string quartette: The
>> Flowers of the Forests, 1925?
>> 
>> Reiner also studied percussion as a student in Budapest. Including
>> timpani, which might help explain the added prominence of and occasional
>> added timpani parts in his CSO recordings (it's harder to tell with his
>> Pittsburgh and other recordings). I remember talking to Sam Denov, who was
>> then a retired member of the Chicago Symphony's percussion section. He said
>> "Reiner was DEATH on percussion." Meaning that he not only heard
>> everything, which was a given, but that he knew exactly what he wanted and
>> wouldn't settle until he got it. Sam was speaking from his personal CSO
>> experience....
>> 
>> Also, Reiner made piano rolls in 1925 et seq. Four-hand versions in which
>> he was credited as being one of the two pianists and others in which he was
>> credited as the "conductor." Philip Hart wrote about it on page 44 of his
>> biography of Reiner.
>> 
>> Don Tait
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Haley <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: ARSCLIST <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 8:50 am
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Dora Labbette, Soprano with string quartette: The
>> Flowers of the Forests, 1925?
>> 
>> 
>> I just looked up Fiedler in Wiki, and while born in Boston, his parents
>> moved to Europe (Vienna and Berlin) and he studied violin with Willy Hess
>> at the Berlin Hochschule.  I didn't see mention of the Johann Strauss III's
>> orchestra, but that is possible.  I might be wrong about his playing the
>> viola.  Monteux was a violist, and both Reiner and Mitropoulos were
>> pianists.  We have a recording of Mitropoulos performing and conducting a
>> Prokofiev concerto.
>> 
>> Best,
>> John Haley
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Szell,Walter,Solti,and Bernstein all made very famous recordings as
>>> pianists.I have seen it reported that Fiedler played in Johann Strauss
>>> III's orchestra as a student.Is there any truth to this?
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>>> Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 12:45:19 -0400
>>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Dora Labbette, Soprano with string quartette:
>>> The Flowers of the Forests, 1925?
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> 
>>>> I believe Fiedler (whose name means "fiddler") was also a violist.  But
>>> the
>>>> violists are in good company with composers.  Beethoven, Rossini and
>>> Mozart
>>>> all played the viola, I believe, altho both Beethoven and Mozart had
>>>> performing careers as pianists.  Most of the famous violinists of the
>>> 19th
>>>> Century, and before, were also composers.
>>>> 
>>>> Best, John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Dave Burnham <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You're right. And an inordinate number were cellists, the ones you
>>> mention
>>>>> along with Kindler, Bourdon, Casals and Rostropovich. I think
>>> Hindemith did
>>>>> some conducting as well which would fill out the picture by including
>>>>> a
>>>>> violist.
>>>>> 
>>>>> db
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 4, 2014, at 10:48 AM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Most of the great conductors were/are in fact string players, not
>>>>> pianists.
>>>>>> Szell, Walter, Solti and Bernstein were pianists, and Stokowski was
>>> an
>>>>>> organist (his first job in the US was as organist for St. Bart's
>>> Church
>>>>> in
>>>>>> Manhattan).  Most of the rest were string players.  Munch was a
>>>>>> concertmaster under Furtwaengler.  Toscanini and Barbirolli were
>>>>> cellists.
>>>>>> Koussevitzsky was a bass fiddle virtuoso.  Ormandy was the most
>>> famous
>>>>>> violin student of Hubay, Szigeti's teacher.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> John Haley
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Nick Morgan <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I suppose most conductors trained before orchestral recording > >
>>>>> became
>>>>>>> widespread must have been able to - does anyone know of any that
>>>>> couldn't?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dave Burnham
>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2014 04:11
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Dora Labette, Soprano with string
>>> quartette: The
>>>>>>> Flowers of the Forests, 1925?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I recently came across a record by Dora Labette with Beecham at the
>>>>> piano;
>>>>>>> never realized he could play the piano.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> db
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>