No idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shai Drori" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Accidental stereo (again) > How do they sound? Do they have the old mic's character or do they sound more like condensers? > Shai > בתאריך 30/08/14 11:39 PM, ציטוט Tom Fine: >> Audio-Technica and others make ribbon mics that include on-board a first stage of solid-state >> amplification plus impedence matching, so the mic interfaces well with modern gear, outputs about >> like a condenser mic and the ribbon sees the impedence it wants to see. Because modern >> instrumentation-grade amplifier chips are super-quiet, this also allows for a first gain stage >> with very little self-noise. >> >> -- Tom Fine >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shai Drori" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 6:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Accidental stereo (again) >> >> >>> The new ribbons misc need phantom power for the built it electronics. The old would actually fry >>> if presented with phantom power. >>> Shai >>> בתאריך 30/08/14 10:58 PM, ציטוט Aaron Levinson: >>>> Ribbon Mics do NOT require phantom power DB I'm not sure where you can up with that bit if >>>> misinformation but only condensers require a 48v phantom supply. >>>> >>>> AA >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 30, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Dave Burnham <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Since the stereo ribbon mike required phantom power I assume it included a mike pre-amp in the >>>>> unit which presented the required termination needs. >>>>> >>>>> db >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 30, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Paul Stamler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/30/2014 1:03 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote: >>>>>>> Certainly they're still making ribbon mikes. But I have compared a very high-end stereo >>>>>>> ribbon mike with an AKG C422, (the first solid state stereo mike that AKG produced when they >>>>>>> discontinued the C24), both in an MS configuration, and the quality of sound, to my ears, >>>>>>> from the C422 was vastly superior to the ribbon mike and, of course, the C422 isn't limited >>>>>>> to just bi-directional pick-ups. I think there are also ribbon mikes which have other polar >>>>>>> patterns but I don't think they're switchable. >>>>>> It's worth noting that classic ribbon mics (e.g., RCA) were designed to be fed into a mic >>>>>> preamp with an input transformer that fed the grid of a triode or pentode tube, *without* a >>>>>> terminating resistor on the transformer. This means the mic is presented with a relatively >>>>>> high load impedance, significantly higher than the 1500-2400 ohm input impedance of modern >>>>>> preamps. There are a few modern preamps that will work well with classic tube amps (the AEA >>>>>> device, designed as a companion to their RCA-inspired designs, and the Benchmark mic preamp >>>>>> introduced about three years ago. I did an experiment with an old RCA ribbon; I operated it >>>>>> into a good modern preamp from Grace, and into the Benchmark. There was no contest; the mic, >>>>>> used through the Benchmark, had an entire octave of high frequency response that was missing >>>>>> through the Grace. >>>>>> >>>>>> David's compariaon of a pair of ribbon mics with an AKG stereo condenser mic may have been >>>>>> skewed, if the ribbon mics were used with typical modern mic inputs. They weren't built with >>>>>> that expectation. I'd love to hear the same experiment repeated using something like a >>>>>> Benchmark preamp on the ribbons. >>>>>> >>>>>> And David, you're quite correct that there are ribbon mics available with other than figure-8 >>>>>> polar patterns; Beyerdynamic makes several with hypercardioid patterns. And you're right; >>>>>> they're not switchable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Peace, >>>>>> Paul >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers >>> Shai Drori >>> Timeless Recordings >>> [log in to unmask] >>> בברכה, >>> שי דרורי >>> מומחה לשימור והמרה של אודיו וידאו וסרטים 8-35 ממ. >>> >>> >> > > -- > Cheers > Shai Drori > Timeless Recordings > [log in to unmask] > בברכה, > שי דרורי > מומחה לשימור והמרה של אודיו וידאו וסרטים 8-35 ממ. > >