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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shai Drori" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Accidental stereo (again)


> How do they sound? Do they have the old mic's character or do they sound more like condensers?
> Shai
> בתאריך 30/08/14 11:39 PM, ציטוט Tom Fine:
>> Audio-Technica and others make ribbon mics that include on-board a first stage of solid-state 
>> amplification plus impedence matching, so the mic interfaces well with modern gear, outputs about 
>> like a condenser mic and the ribbon sees the impedence it wants to see. Because modern 
>> instrumentation-grade amplifier chips are super-quiet, this also allows for a first gain stage 
>> with very little self-noise.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shai Drori" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 6:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Accidental stereo (again)
>>
>>
>>> The new ribbons misc need phantom power for the built it electronics. The old would actually fry 
>>> if presented with phantom power.
>>> Shai
>>> בתאריך 30/08/14 10:58 PM, ציטוט Aaron Levinson:
>>>> Ribbon Mics do NOT require phantom power DB I'm not sure where you can up with that bit if 
>>>> misinformation but only condensers require a 48v phantom supply.
>>>>
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 30, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Dave Burnham <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the stereo ribbon mike required phantom power I assume it included a mike pre-amp in the 
>>>>> unit which presented the required termination needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> db
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 30, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Paul Stamler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/30/2014 1:03 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
>>>>>>> Certainly they're still making ribbon mikes.  But I have compared a very high-end stereo 
>>>>>>> ribbon mike with an AKG C422, (the first solid state stereo mike that AKG produced when they 
>>>>>>> discontinued the C24), both in an MS configuration, and the quality of sound, to my ears, 
>>>>>>> from the C422 was vastly superior to the ribbon mike and, of course, the C422 isn't limited 
>>>>>>> to just bi-directional pick-ups.  I think there are also ribbon mikes which have other polar 
>>>>>>> patterns but I don't think they're switchable.
>>>>>> It's worth noting that classic ribbon mics (e.g., RCA) were designed to be fed into a mic 
>>>>>> preamp with an input transformer that fed the grid of a triode or pentode tube, *without* a 
>>>>>> terminating resistor on the transformer. This means the mic is presented with a relatively 
>>>>>> high load impedance, significantly higher than the 1500-2400 ohm input impedance of modern 
>>>>>> preamps. There are a few modern preamps that will work well with classic tube amps (the AEA 
>>>>>> device, designed as a companion to their RCA-inspired designs, and the Benchmark mic preamp 
>>>>>> introduced about three years ago. I did an experiment with an old RCA ribbon; I operated it 
>>>>>> into a good modern preamp from Grace, and into the Benchmark. There was no contest; the mic, 
>>>>>> used through the Benchmark, had an entire octave of high frequency response that was missing 
>>>>>> through the Grace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David's compariaon of a pair of ribbon mics with an AKG stereo condenser mic may have been 
>>>>>> skewed, if the ribbon mics were used with typical modern mic inputs. They weren't built with 
>>>>>> that expectation. I'd love to hear the same experiment repeated using something like a 
>>>>>> Benchmark preamp on the ribbons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And David, you're quite correct that there are ribbon mics available with other than figure-8 
>>>>>> polar patterns; Beyerdynamic makes several with hypercardioid patterns. And you're right; 
>>>>>> they're not switchable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peace,
>>>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Cheers
>>> Shai Drori
>>> Timeless Recordings
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>>
>
> -- 
> Cheers
> Shai Drori
> Timeless Recordings
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