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All good questions. I'd like to say that I agree with Mary Jane that these issues are important and we do need to record this information. I am advocating for finding a way to fold this information into the overall RDA/FRBR structure. I believe it is possible to do this but it may require us to step outside and think about different ways of doing things. For example, I agree that numbering patterns are an important thing we record in series authority records and they do serve and important purpose for our users. One possibility, in the case of the Chronicles of Narnia, would be to create an expression record for the English language expression, and then have more than one numbering decision that applies to different publications (manifestations). I do know in that particular case that some of the current series give the number the books in a different order from the original numbering. Numbering change is not an attribute/element that creates a new expression in FRBR or RDA, but there must be some way we could accommodate this, perhaps using multiple numbering patterns (just brainstorming, perhaps we could qualify the numbering of the newer versions, e.g., "v.1 (revised numbering)"). It would also be much more helpful to our users than our current practice, in my opinion, to include a 678 history of the work note on the single authority record for the expression explaining the numbering difference, rather than expecting the users to deduce it from the fact that the numbering is different in our different access point strings. (By the way, we MUST find a way to display to the public these very useful 678 notes that are popping up on RDA records.)


Robert L. Maxwell
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568

"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.

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I can’t really say about multipart monographs because I don’t catalog monographs often, but for monographic series, in the past we have made new SARs for new editions to distinguish them so we could manage local treatment decisions, establish a standard form for the numbering, and build separate series indexes for the individual volumes.  Pre-RDA, we weren’t thinking in terms of work, expression, manifestation; we were thinking about these tasks.  As we re-conceptualize, creating fewer SARs, will these tasks continue be done?  If so, how?  What do our patrons want/need in these areas?  Are the answers to these questions the same for both multipart monographs and monographic series, or different?

 

Mary Jane Cuneo

Serials cataloging and NACO

Information and Technical Services

Harvard Library

 

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of McDonald, Stephen
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 1:37 PM
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I think you misunderstood me.  I mentioned that a critical edition might actually be considered an aggregate, but that’s not what I was talking about.  I was talking about an ordinary new edition of a single Work.  A new edition, with new cover art, new publisher, and new introduction, is not considered a new Expression—it is a Manifestation of the same Expression as the original edition.  So why should a new edition of a series, with new cover art, new publisher, and new introduction, be considered a new Expression of the original series?  Why should that get a new series authority record, when you wouldn’t make a new authority record for a new edition of a single Work?  Why should a new edition of a series be considered a new aggregate work if the only differences are publisher, cover art, and maybe introduction?  What makes that an aggregate work?

 

                                                                                Steve McDonald

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephen Hearn
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 12:03 PM
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The thing about aggregate works is that they're not always worth describing. I agree that the aggregate work which a critical edition typically is generally does not need to be described. The access to that edition can be managed in other ways. The argument is that these series could be an aggregate work case that is worth describing, and not just because we've done it that way in the past, but because we've had reasons to do it that way, reasons related to user needs and collection management.

 

Stephen

 

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:33 AM, McDonald, Stephen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I’m not sure I buy that argument.  The same argument could be made with any edition of a single work—new cover art, new introduction, and new glossary does not make an edition into a new Expression.  It is a Manifestation.  An edition with new cover art and introduction is not considered a new aggregate Work.  Only when there is significant additional material, such as a critical analysis, is it considered an aggregate work.  I think Bob is arguing that the same should be true of series.

 

                                                                                Steve McDonald

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The counter argument I'd make to Bob's well reasoned one is that series editions of multipart literary works are not being identified as expressions of the literary work. They're being identified as separate aggregate works containing the literary work, in addition to other work-level content (cover art, new introductions, etc.).  The series title applies to the aggregate work, not to the literary work.  When it becomes an AAP, the series title needs to be qualified to distinguish one series from another and from the literary work itself.  Use of the publisher name as a qualifier is a useful surrogate for a finer analysis of the aggregated components that make up the distinct series work.

 

I'm not trying to argue hard for this position--just to point out that there's more than one way to see these series in the light of FRBR and RDA.  Adopting Bob's reading would mean a significant shift in the way PCC regards series.  The one above offers a way of continuing most current practices without necessarily turning our backs on RDA.

 

Stephen



 

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