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Avvorsding to the Philips AES paper, the Beethoven part was made-up untruth. I have too much respect for ancient myths to call it that, more like a marketing lie :-) <L> Lou Judson Intuitive Audio 415-883-2689 On Sep 10, 2014, at 6:17 AM, Don Cox wrote: > It's a pity they didn't make the playing time long enough for Karajan's > performances of Bruckner's Eighth Symphony rather than Beethoven's > Ninth.