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Thanks, Nate. I misread the right-hand column as domain, but it is range. So I ran a record through the converter, and it appears that titleVariation appears as an Instance property. This would mean that a variant on the work title is not covered (at the moment). However, I also note that title and titleVariation are not associated with any domains, so in fact they could be used with either Work or Instance, if desired. I read back through the thread that Rob pointed out (thanks!) and it does appear that there is still an open discussion on title as "entity". It is a difficult one, though, due to "cataloging in MARC" practice. I note that it isn't clear to me how this is/will be handled in RDA in RDF - the various title properties are rangeless and the parts of the title (subtitle, part, number, etc.) are not addressed - nor if the separation of the title string into sub-strings is required by the cataloging rules - nor if there is actual utility in the separation (from a machine-processing point of view). kc On 9/26/14, 9:00 AM, Trail, Nate wrote: > > Karen, > > titleVariation has a range of Title, so you have the Title node to > describe in detail the source, type, titlevalue, etc. Currently > 246,247,242 are going to titleVariation. > > I think formDesignation is coming out of the Title class, since it’s > describing the Work, not the title. (That’s a holdover from trying to > keep all the parts of a marc title together in building a preferred > title or aap. > > titleVariation has no domain, but I think in practice it will probably > be found on Instances. > > We are trying to overhaul titles. Suggestions welcome. > > Nate > > ----------------------------------------- > > Nate Trail > > LS/TECH/NDMSO > > LA308, Mail Stop 4402 > > Library of Congress > > Washington DC 20540 > > *From:*Bibliographic Framework Transition Initiative Forum > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Karen Coyle > *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 11:50 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [BIBFRAME] Representing Non-English Language 'Readings' > > Thanks, Mark. So it would seem that for BIBFRAME, titleVariation would > be the property. However, are these titles associated with the Work or > the Instance/Manifestation? I find this confusing in BIBFRAME because > titleVariation is listed as a property on the Work page[1] , with > domain Title, but the class Title [1] doesn't include it. Has anyone > looked carefully at titles in BIBFRAME to understand their semantics? > > kc > > [1] http://bibframe.org/vocab/Work.html > [2] http://bibframe.org/vocab/Title.html > > On 9/26/14, 8:24 AM, Mark K. Ehlert wrote: > > Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > I believe the poster is referring to providing transcriptions > and/or translations of the title that do not appear on the piece > itself. Those should be distinguished from the title on piece. > AFAIK (catalogers, please weigh in here!), the only thing we've > had in the past is the title variation (MARC 246), but also AFAIK > we haven't actually provided for translations of titles. Do the > cataloging rules address this? > > For cataloger-supplied translations, RDA has 2.3.6.4. MARC has > the 242; some may also use or substitute the 246 for this. > > > -- > > Mark K. Ehlert Minitex > Coordinator University of Minnesota > Digitization, Cataloging & 15 Andersen Library > Metadata Education (DCME) 222 21st Avenue South > Phone: 612-624-0805 Minneapolis, MN 55455-0439 > <http://www.minitex.umn.edu/> > > "Experience is by industry achieved // And perfected by > the swift course of time." -- Shakespeare, "Two Gentlemen > > of Verona," Act I, scene iii > > > > -- > Karen Coyle > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> http://kcoyle.net > m: +1-510-435-8234 > skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600