Well put, Kevin! I think that you used this example effectively to illustrate how the words really are an integral part of the title proper. As you pointed out, the context is important, too. There was a movie in the 1980s called Enemies, a love story. In this case, "a love story" is an integral part of the title. The title isn't just "Enemies". It's a judgment call, but I think the "when in doubt" clause here should be: When in doubt about whether the words are part of the title proper vs. other title information, consider the words to be part of the title proper. Enemies, a love story means a lot more to a user than Enemies (1989). Use what's there rather than making things more difficult! Gene Eugene Dickerson Team Leader for Cataloging Ralph J. Bunche Library U.S. Department of State Washington, DC [log in to unmask] (202) 647-2191 (voice) No part of any article sent to you by the Bunche Library can be reproduced, distributed, or transmitted without prior written permission of the publisher. The exception is brief quotations. -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 1:13 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Popular music collections with performer-based titles This is an excellent example of the kind of situation where we must really re-educate ourselves on what is a *title proper* and what is *other title information*. The words "Out there" are not a subtitle, or any other kind of "other title information" (which RDA defines as "Information that appears in conjunction with, and is subordinate to, the title proper of a resource."). There are an integral part of the title proper. No one involved with creating/issuing the resource, or the tour from which it arose, would have ever thought of the title being just "Paul McCartney". (And if they were going to consider calling it by fewer than all four of the words "Paul McCartney Out There", you could very safely bet that the words they'd go with are "Out There".) Record the title as "Paul McCartney out there" (or "Paul McCartney, out there"). This isn't in any sense just a way to "avoid the need for the 130". It's not making concessions because of the cataloging rules. It's simply recording the title proper that is really there! (P.S. Also make sure to give variant access to "Out there"...) Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library [log in to unmask] (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! > -----Original Message----- > From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bryan Baldus > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 10:18 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [PCCLIST] Popular music collections with performer-based > titles > > When cataloging something like  (where the title page is similar to > the cover, but without the center image; collection of printed music > for several songs), I'm wondering how to deal with the title proper > and the preferred title of the work. As I understand it (being > somewhat new to cataloging popular music, and even newer to doing so > in RDA), I would have a title main-entry (/preferred access point) > (since the songs are composed by multiple people, though Paul > McCartney does appear to be listed as at least one of the composers on > most, if not all, of the songs); I'm thinking of giving the 245 as: > $aPaul McCartney :$bout there. If I went with that, I would like to > use the subtitle as the qualifier in the 130, "Paul McCartney (Out > there)". However, it might be better to give the 245 as Paul McCartney, out there, to avoid the need for the 130. > > What is the proper way to deal with works such as this (or what would > you do), with the name of the performer and the name of an album (or > other other-title-information)? Am I correct in believing that this > should be entered under title rather than McCartney (or (in the > general case) name of performer/performing group)? > > For the LC Classification, would it still be ok to use > "M1630.18.M1518$bP385 2014" (1st Cutter for performer, 2nd for title)? > >  http://www.amazon.com/Paul-McCartney-Out-There- > Tour/dp/1480390984/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412347735&sr=8- > 1&keywords=9781480390980 > > Thank you for your assistance, > > Bryan Baldus > Senior Cataloger > Quality Books Inc. > The Best of America's Independent Presses > 1-800-323-4241x402 > [log in to unmask] This email is UNCLASSIFIED.