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I wasn't able to download it at first, but then I tried again and it worked. (I'm using Firefox) Sandy Rodriguez Special Collections Metadata Librarian University of Missouri-Kansas City 410 Miller Nichols Library | 5100 Rockhill Road | Kansas City, MO 64110-2499 Phone: (816) 235-2229 | Fax: (816) 333-5584 | [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Fine Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:44 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software I can't download the PDF here. I keep getting document error messages from Acrobat. Is it just my computer? -- Tom Fine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodriguez, Sandy" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software >I believe the music industry is trying to get their metadata act together, although their specs don’t >quite jibe with the library world. > > > > http://musicbiz.org/press-releases/music-biz-music-metadata-style-guide/ > > > > Throwing that out there and running like hell. ☺ (…because I haven’t actually reviewed them) > > > > Best, > > Sandy > > > > Sandy Rodriguez > > Special Collections Metadata Librarian > > University of Missouri-Kansas City > > 410 Miller Nichols Library | 5100 Rockhill Road | Kansas City, MO 64110-2499 > > Phone: (816) 235-2229 | Fax: (816) 333-5584 | [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > > ARSC is looking for new members for 2015! Check out our member > benefits<http://www.arsc-audio.org/member-benefits.html> and please consider joining > us<http://www.arsc-audio.org/join.html>! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of Peter Hirsch > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:48 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software > > > > Tom, > > > > Yes, consistency which is maintained by authority control (in > > library-speak) is absolutely essential and no decent system can function without it. That is why I > prefer to use MARC records created under the cataloging rules generally accepted by libraries. I > believe, though, that once I find software that enables me to download these records from Library > of Congress, OCLC or wherever, I will still need to tweak them to get the full depth of access to > all (recorded work, all individuals involved in performing and recording to whatever degree this > is discoverable) information attached to each recorded unit (I hate using the term track, but that > is roughly what I mean here) level. > > > > All this discussion has been very useful so far and I hope to explore as many of the avenues > mentioned as possible. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Peter Hirsch > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Tom Fine > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > > wrote: > > > >> The downfall of all these database programs is where they're pulling > >> information. The more I think about it, the more sense I see in > >> Peter's idea of using MARC data. At least MARC aheres to relatively > >> strict conventions. They may be klunky, but they're designed to be consistent. > >> > >> As one who has filled in tags for 150+ classical CDs, trying both > >> iTunes > >> (Gracenote) and dBPowerAmp (which draws on a number of sources > >> including freedb, Allmusic and others), there is ZERO consistency out > >> there. The same conductor and orchestra may be listed differently for > >> each album, even on the same label. Composer names are screwy and > >> sometimes just wrong. A lot of data, especially for DGG and EMI CDs, > >> is in German (useless to an English speaker who wants an English > >> database). The whole experience was infuriating, and in fact convinced > >> me it wasn't worth my time to suck all my CDs into a hard drive > >> library. The worst of all this is that Gracenote is a FOR PROFIT > >> company and they have never lifted a finger to clean up their database > >> from its dark early "crowdsourced" days. You can expect crowd-source > >> cluster-you-know-what from freedb, but a real "company" should value > >> their brand more. Apparently, customers who pay license fees, like Apple, don't pressure them >> hard enough. > >> > >> Even though MARC's naming conventions may not be near what I would > >> think of, I assume the same conductor and orchestra show up under the > >> same names in every entry. If not, that's terrible! > >> > >> From Day 1, record companies could have kept all of this consistent > >> and > >>> uniform by using the CDText > >>> > >> layer always in Red Book, and getting together on standardized naming > >> conventions, perhaps under an ISO standard. This would have required a > >> few extra minutes per CD to enter the data, but it should have been > >> standard practice all along. Instead, a lazy attitude by everyone who > >> could control a standard led to crowd-sourced inconsistent garbage. > >> > >> -- Tom Fine > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Hunter Kevil" > >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:00 PM > >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software > >> > >> > >> I wonder if anyone has extensive experience with jRiver, media > >> library > >>> software for digital files. It has received wide praise over the > >>> years. It can read and process into libraries CDs. It can handle - I > >>> believe - all the sundry audio file formats. > >>> > >>> I have thousands of lps as well.The question is this: will jRiver > >>> handle the cataloguing of lps, even if there is no digital file > >>> attached? I harbor the hope - optimistic for sure - of digitizing > >>> some of my most cherished lps. > >>> > >>> L. H. Kevil > >>> Out to pasture, Univ of Missouri > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Stephen <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I use Collectorz's Music Collector software for my collection of > >>> about > >>>> 2800 > >>>> recordings (CD, vinyl, and digital files), and find it extremely useful. > >>>> It's not perfect--it pulls info from sources (Amazon, for example, > >>>> or data uploaded to the Collectorz database by other users) that are > >>>> not always 100% accurate, so I usually have to do some editing. But > >>>> it does allow easy searching of artists, conductors, orchestras, > >>>> labels, genres, etc. It allows for recordings with multiple > >>>> artists, composers, orchestras, etc. > >>>> And you can specify where the recording is stored. > >>>> > >>>> You can catalog recordings in several ways: 1) Place a CD in your > >>>> computer's CD drive, and let the program scan it; 2) Use a barcode > >>>> scanner on the back of the CD case; 3) Type in the UPC or title, and > >>>> let the program search for matches; 4) Point the program to digital > >>>> files on your computer or backup device, and let it scan those; or > >>>> 5) Enter info manually. > >>>> With > >>>> #1-4, covers are downloaded automatically from various sources; with > >>>> #5, after adding the recording, you use the program to search for a > >>>> cover, which is then downloaded and added to the database. (This > >>>> last method can also be used with methods 1-4 to get a different > >>>> cover than the one automatically > >>>> downloaded.) > >>>> > >>>> I've been impressed by the constant improvements in the program since I > >>>> purchased it several years ago. My only complaint is that there is yet > >>>> no > >>>> simple search-and-replace that allows you to replace (for example) > >>>> "G-Dur" > >>>> with "G major". > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Stephen Peithman, Producer/Host, “Connections” > >>>> Capital Public Radio | capradio.org | 7055 Folsom Blvd, Sacramento, > >>>> CA > >>>> 95826 > >>>> Listener supported Public Radio | Licensed to Sacramento State > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List > >>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Marsha Maguire > >>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:35 AM > >>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > >>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software > >>>> > >>>> Hi, Peter, > >>>> > >>>> As discussed earlier, there are some free and inexpensive > >>>> applications out there that should allow you to capture existing > >>>> MARC or other descriptive metadata and load it into a database. A > >>>> good place to start looking for such software is the American > >>>> Library Association's Automating Libraries: A Selected Annotated > >>>> Bibliography (ALA Library Fact Sheet 21, 2014), available at > >>>> http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet21. One > >>>> product mentioned there (although it doesn't seem to work with MARC > >>>> data) is Music Collector at Collectorz.com: > >>>> http://www.collectorz.com/music/ I have no idea how complete the > >>>> Music Collector database is (from which you can download records > >>>> into your home database), but according to one review, Amazon is > >>>> also searched. There is an optional barcode reader add-on. > >>>> > >>>> A similar product is Readerware Music Database, which lets you scan > >>>> in the UPC barcode (or enter other info like Title, etc.). It then > >>>> "collects full information from a number of different sources > >>>> including reviews, cover art, full disk and track listings" for your > >>>> home database: > >>>> http://www.readerware.com/index.php/products/details/music_details > >>>> Both these products offer free trials, and both are very inexpensive. > >>>> > >>>> Another option is CollectiveAccess, which, although it's intended > >>>> primarily for archival and museum collections, can import MARC and > >>>> other data (how simple this process is I'm not sure): > >>>> http://collectiveaccess.org/. You could download MARC records and > >>>> export them in various formats with the wonderful MarcEdit, which is > >>>> free: http://marcedit.reeset.net/ Presumably, you could then load > >>>> them into CollectiveAccess. > >>>> > >>>> As far as I know, All Music Guide metadata isn't free, but if that > >>>> is inaccurate, I'd love to be corrected. > >>>> > >>>> I hope you find software that works for you, Peter, and if you > >>>> discover something fabulous, please let us know! > >>>> > >>>> Marsha Maguire (retired LC cataloger) > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >