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Sandy Rodriguez
Special Collections Metadata Librarian
University of Missouri-Kansas City
410 Miller Nichols Library | 5100 Rockhill Road | Kansas City, MO 64110-2499
Phone: (816) 235-2229 | Fax: (816) 333-5584 | [log in to unmask]

-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Fine
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:44 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software

I can't download the PDF here. I keep getting document error messages from Acrobat. Is it just my computer?

-- Tom Fine

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From: "Rodriguez, Sandy" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software


>I believe the music industry is trying to get their metadata act together, although their specs don’t 
>quite jibe with the library world.
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> http://musicbiz.org/press-releases/music-biz-music-metadata-style-guide/
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> Throwing that out there and running like hell. ☺ (…because I haven’t actually reviewed them)
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> Best,
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> Sandy
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> Sandy Rodriguez
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> Special Collections Metadata Librarian
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> University of Missouri-Kansas City
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> 410 Miller Nichols Library | 5100 Rockhill Road | Kansas City, MO 64110-2499
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf 
> Of Peter Hirsch
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:48 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software
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> Tom,
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> Yes, consistency which is maintained by authority control (in
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> library-speak) is absolutely essential and no decent system can function without it. That is why I 
> prefer to use MARC records created under the cataloging rules generally accepted by libraries. I 
> believe, though, that once I find software that enables me to download these records from Library 
> of Congress, OCLC or wherever, I will still need to tweak them to get the full depth of access to 
> all (recorded work, all individuals involved in performing and recording to whatever degree this 
> is discoverable) information attached to each recorded unit (I hate using the term track, but that 
> is roughly what I mean here) level.
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> All this discussion has been very useful so far and I hope to explore as many of the avenues 
> mentioned as possible.
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> Thanks,
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> Peter Hirsch
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> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Tom Fine 
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
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> wrote:
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>> The downfall of all these database programs is where they're pulling
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>> information. The more I think about it, the more sense I see in
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>> Peter's idea of using MARC data. At least MARC aheres to relatively
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>> strict conventions. They may be klunky, but they're designed to be consistent.
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>> As one who has filled in tags for 150+ classical CDs, trying both
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>> iTunes
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>> (Gracenote) and dBPowerAmp (which draws on a number of sources
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>> including freedb, Allmusic and others), there is ZERO consistency out
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>> there. The same conductor and orchestra may be listed differently for
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>> each album, even on the same label. Composer names are screwy and
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>> sometimes just wrong. A lot of data, especially for DGG and EMI CDs,
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>> is in German (useless to an English speaker who wants an English
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>> database). The whole experience was infuriating, and in fact convinced
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>> me it wasn't worth my time to suck all my CDs into a hard drive
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>> library. The worst of all this is that Gracenote is a FOR PROFIT
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>> company and they have never lifted a finger to clean up their database
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>> from its dark early "crowdsourced" days. You can expect crowd-source
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>> cluster-you-know-what from freedb, but a real "company" should value
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>> their brand more. Apparently, customers who pay license fees, like Apple, don't pressure them 
>> hard enough.
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>> Even though MARC's naming conventions may not be near what I would
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>> think of, I assume the same conductor and orchestra show up under the
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>> same names in every entry. If not, that's terrible!
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>>
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>>  From Day 1, record companies could have kept all of this consistent
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>> and
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>>> uniform by using the CDText
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>>>
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>> layer always in Red Book, and getting together on standardized naming
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>> conventions, perhaps under an ISO standard. This would have required a
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>> few extra minutes per CD to enter the data, but it should have been
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>> standard practice all along. Instead, a lazy attitude by everyone who
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>> could control a standard led to crowd-sourced inconsistent garbage.
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>> -- Tom Fine
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Hunter Kevil"
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>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
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>> To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
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>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:00 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software
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>>  I wonder if anyone has extensive experience with jRiver, media
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>> library
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>>> software for digital files. It has received wide praise over the
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>>> years. It can read and process into libraries CDs. It can handle - I
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>>> believe - all the sundry audio file formats.
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>>>
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>>> I have thousands of lps as well.The question is this: will jRiver
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>>> handle the cataloguing of lps, even if there is no digital file
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>>> attached? I harbor the hope - optimistic for sure - of digitizing
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>>> some of my most cherished lps.
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>>>
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>>> L. H. Kevil
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>>> Out to pasture, Univ of Missouri
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Stephen <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>>>
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>>>  I use Collectorz's Music Collector software for my collection of
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>>> about
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>>>> 2800
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>>>> recordings (CD, vinyl, and digital files), and find it extremely useful.
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>>>> It's not perfect--it pulls info from sources (Amazon, for example,
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>>>> or data uploaded to the Collectorz database by other users) that are
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>>>> not always 100% accurate, so I usually have to do some editing.  But
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>>>> it does allow easy searching of artists, conductors, orchestras,
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>>>> labels, genres, etc.  It allows for recordings with multiple
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>>>> artists, composers, orchestras, etc.
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>>>> And you can specify where the recording is stored.
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>>>>
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>>>> You can catalog recordings in several ways:  1) Place a CD in your
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>>>> computer's CD drive, and let the program scan it; 2) Use a barcode
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>>>> scanner on the back of the CD case; 3) Type in the UPC or title, and
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>>>> let the program search for matches; 4) Point the program to digital
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>>>> files on your computer or backup device, and let it scan those; or
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>>>> 5) Enter info manually.
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>>>>  With
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>>>> #1-4, covers are downloaded automatically from various sources; with
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>>>> #5, after adding the recording, you use the program to search for a
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>>>> cover, which is then downloaded and added to the database.  (This
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>>>> last method can also be used with methods 1-4 to get a different
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>>>> cover than the one automatically
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>>>> downloaded.)
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>>>>
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>>>> I've been impressed by the constant improvements in the program since I
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>>>> purchased it several years ago.   My only complaint is that there is yet
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>>>> no
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>>>> simple search-and-replace that allows you to replace (for example)
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>>>> "G-Dur"
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>>>> with "G major".
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Stephen Peithman, Producer/Host, “Connections”
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>>>> Capital Public Radio | capradio.org | 7055 Folsom Blvd, Sacramento,
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>>>> CA
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>>>> 95826
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>>>> Listener supported Public Radio | Licensed to Sacramento State
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
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>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Marsha Maguire
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>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:35 AM
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>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software
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>>>>
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>>>> Hi, Peter,
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>>>>
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>>>> As discussed earlier, there are some free and inexpensive
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>>>> applications out there that should allow you to capture existing
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>>>> MARC or other descriptive metadata and load it into a database. A
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>>>> good place to start looking for such software is the American
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>>>> Library Association's Automating Libraries: A Selected Annotated
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>>>> Bibliography (ALA Library Fact Sheet 21, 2014), available at
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>>>> http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet21. One
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>>>> product mentioned there (although it doesn't seem to work with MARC
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>>>> data) is Music Collector at Collectorz.com:
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>>>> http://www.collectorz.com/music/  I have no idea how complete the
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>>>> Music Collector database is (from which you can download records
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>>>> into your home database), but according to one review, Amazon is
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>>>> also searched. There is an optional barcode reader add-on.
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>>>>
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>>>> A similar product is Readerware Music Database, which lets you scan
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>>>> in the UPC barcode (or enter other info like Title, etc.). It then
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>>>> "collects full information from a number of different sources
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>>>> including reviews, cover art, full disk and track listings" for your
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>>>> home database:
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>>>> http://www.readerware.com/index.php/products/details/music_details
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>>>> Both these products offer free trials, and both are very inexpensive.
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>>>>
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>>>> Another option is CollectiveAccess, which, although it's intended
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>>>> primarily for archival and museum collections, can import MARC and
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>>>> other data (how simple this process is I'm not sure):
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>>>> http://collectiveaccess.org/. You could download MARC records and
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>>>> export them in various formats with the wonderful MarcEdit, which is
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>>>> free: http://marcedit.reeset.net/ Presumably, you could then load
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>>>> them into CollectiveAccess.
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>>>>
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>>>> As far as I know, All Music Guide metadata isn't free, but if that
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>>>> is inaccurate, I'd love to be corrected.
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>>>>
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>>>> I hope you find software that works for you, Peter, and if you
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>>>> discover something fabulous, please let us know!
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>>>>
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>>>> Marsha Maguire (retired LC cataloger)
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