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​Speaking of getting acts together, my public library (Brookline MA, with a
network throughout eastern Mass.) will pull up requests for, say,
Beethoven's Symphony 2, but no search by conductor or orchestra! (Every CD
is specced at 4 3/4 inches, however.) One must go first to Amazon and find
the label and issue date, to select the wanted entry.

Is this typical?

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Rodriguez, Sandy <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> I believe the music industry is trying to get their metadata act together,
> although their specs don’t quite jibe with the library world.
>
>
>
> http://musicbiz.org/press-releases/music-biz-music-metadata-style-guide/
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>
>
> Throwing that out there and running like hell. ☺ (…because I haven’t
> actually reviewed them)
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>
>
> Best,
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> Sandy Rodriguez
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Hirsch
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:48 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
>
>
> Yes, consistency which is maintained by authority control (in
>
> library-speak) is absolutely essential and no decent system can function
> without it. That is why I prefer to use MARC records created under the
> cataloging rules generally accepted by libraries. I believe, though, that
> once I find software that enables me to download these records from Library
> of Congress, OCLC or wherever, I will still need to tweak them to get the
> full depth of access to all (recorded work, all individuals involved in
> performing and recording to whatever degree this is discoverable)
> information attached to each recorded unit (I hate using the term track,
> but that is roughly what I mean here) level.
>
>
>
> All this discussion has been very useful so far and I hope to explore as
> many of the avenues mentioned as possible.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Peter Hirsch
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
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> wrote:
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>
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> > The downfall of all these database programs is where they're pulling
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> > information. The more I think about it, the more sense I see in
>
> > Peter's idea of using MARC data. At least MARC aheres to relatively
>
> > strict conventions. They may be klunky, but they're designed to be
> consistent.
>
> >
>
> > As one who has filled in tags for 150+ classical CDs, trying both
>
> > iTunes
>
> > (Gracenote) and dBPowerAmp (which draws on a number of sources
>
> > including freedb, Allmusic and others), there is ZERO consistency out
>
> > there. The same conductor and orchestra may be listed differently for
>
> > each album, even on the same label. Composer names are screwy and
>
> > sometimes just wrong. A lot of data, especially for DGG and EMI CDs,
>
> > is in German (useless to an English speaker who wants an English
>
> > database). The whole experience was infuriating, and in fact convinced
>
> > me it wasn't worth my time to suck all my CDs into a hard drive
>
> > library. The worst of all this is that Gracenote is a FOR PROFIT
>
> > company and they have never lifted a finger to clean up their database
>
> > from its dark early "crowdsourced" days. You can expect crowd-source
>
> > cluster-you-know-what from freedb, but a real "company" should value
>
> > their brand more. Apparently, customers who pay license fees, like
> Apple, don't pressure them hard enough.
>
> >
>
> > Even though MARC's naming conventions may not be near what I would
>
> > think of, I assume the same conductor and orchestra show up under the
>
> > same names in every entry. If not, that's terrible!
>
> >
>
> >  From Day 1, record companies could have kept all of this consistent
>
> > and
>
> >> uniform by using the CDText
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> >>
>
> > layer always in Red Book, and getting together on standardized naming
>
> > conventions, perhaps under an ISO standard. This would have required a
>
> > few extra minutes per CD to enter the data, but it should have been
>
> > standard practice all along. Instead, a lazy attitude by everyone who
>
> > could control a standard led to crowd-sourced inconsistent garbage.
>
> >
>
> > -- Tom Fine
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Hunter Kevil"
>
> > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
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> > To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:00 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >  I wonder if anyone has extensive experience with jRiver, media
>
> > library
>
> >> software for digital files. It has received wide praise over the
>
> >> years. It can read and process into libraries CDs. It can handle - I
>
> >> believe - all the sundry audio file formats.
>
> >>
>
> >> I have thousands of lps as well.The question is this: will jRiver
>
> >> handle the cataloguing of lps, even if there is no digital file
>
> >> attached? I harbor the hope - optimistic for sure - of digitizing
>
> >> some of my most cherished lps.
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> >>
>
> >> L. H. Kevil
>
> >> Out to pasture, Univ of Missouri
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Stephen <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
> [log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> >>
>
> >>  I use Collectorz's Music Collector software for my collection of
>
> >> about
>
> >>> 2800
>
> >>> recordings (CD, vinyl, and digital files), and find it extremely
> useful.
>
> >>> It's not perfect--it pulls info from sources (Amazon, for example,
>
> >>> or data uploaded to the Collectorz database by other users) that are
>
> >>> not always 100% accurate, so I usually have to do some editing.  But
>
> >>> it does allow easy searching of artists, conductors, orchestras,
>
> >>> labels, genres, etc.  It allows for recordings with multiple
>
> >>> artists, composers, orchestras, etc.
>
> >>> And you can specify where the recording is stored.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> You can catalog recordings in several ways:  1) Place a CD in your
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> >>> computer's CD drive, and let the program scan it; 2) Use a barcode
>
> >>> scanner on the back of the CD case; 3) Type in the UPC or title, and
>
> >>> let the program search for matches; 4) Point the program to digital
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> >>> files on your computer or backup device, and let it scan those; or
>
> >>> 5) Enter info manually.
>
> >>>  With
>
> >>> #1-4, covers are downloaded automatically from various sources; with
>
> >>> #5, after adding the recording, you use the program to search for a
>
> >>> cover, which is then downloaded and added to the database.  (This
>
> >>> last method can also be used with methods 1-4 to get a different
>
> >>> cover than the one automatically
>
> >>> downloaded.)
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I've been impressed by the constant improvements in the program since I
>
> >>> purchased it several years ago.   My only complaint is that there is
> yet
>
> >>> no
>
> >>> simple search-and-replace that allows you to replace (for example)
>
> >>> "G-Dur"
>
> >>> with "G major".
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Stephen Peithman, Producer/Host, “Connections”
>
> >>> Capital Public Radio | capradio.org | 7055 Folsom Blvd, Sacramento,
>
> >>> CA
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> >>> 95826
>
> >>> Listener supported Public Radio | Licensed to Sacramento State
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
>
> >>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>
> >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Marsha Maguire
>
> >>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:35 AM
>
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
> >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Hi, Peter,
>
> >>>
>
> >>> As discussed earlier, there are some free and inexpensive
>
> >>> applications out there that should allow you to capture existing
>
> >>> MARC or other descriptive metadata and load it into a database. A
>
> >>> good place to start looking for such software is the American
>
> >>> Library Association's Automating Libraries: A Selected Annotated
>
> >>> Bibliography (ALA Library Fact Sheet 21, 2014), available at
>
> >>> http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet21. One
>
> >>> product mentioned there (although it doesn't seem to work with MARC
>
> >>> data) is Music Collector at Collectorz.com:
>
> >>> http://www.collectorz.com/music/  I have no idea how complete the
>
> >>> Music Collector database is (from which you can download records
>
> >>> into your home database), but according to one review, Amazon is
>
> >>> also searched. There is an optional barcode reader add-on.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> A similar product is Readerware Music Database, which lets you scan
>
> >>> in the UPC barcode (or enter other info like Title, etc.). It then
>
> >>> "collects full information from a number of different sources
>
> >>> including reviews, cover art, full disk and track listings" for your
>
> >>> home database:
>
> >>> http://www.readerware.com/index.php/products/details/music_details
>
> >>> Both these products offer free trials, and both are very inexpensive.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Another option is CollectiveAccess, which, although it's intended
>
> >>> primarily for archival and museum collections, can import MARC and
>
> >>> other data (how simple this process is I'm not sure):
>
> >>> http://collectiveaccess.org/. You could download MARC records and
>
> >>> export them in various formats with the wonderful MarcEdit, which is
>
> >>> free: http://marcedit.reeset.net/ Presumably, you could then load
>
> >>> them into CollectiveAccess.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> As far as I know, All Music Guide metadata isn't free, but if that
>
> >>> is inaccurate, I'd love to be corrected.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I hope you find software that works for you, Peter, and if you
>
> >>> discover something fabulous, please let us know!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Marsha Maguire (retired LC cataloger)
>
> >>>
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> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>