Cindy, you are correct. The difference is that I can create a display from machine-friendly data that can be read by humans, but not vice-versa.* And we don't want to be creating two sets of data: one for machines, and one for humans - not only is that more work, but it tends to get out of sync.

* And remember that everything a human sees on the screen has gone through machine processing. The machine is always there, although we sometimes succeed in making it invisible. That's why people notice their friends on Facebook but are often unaware of the privacy-sucking machine behind it all.

On 11/5/14 6:43 AM, Cindy Wolff wrote:
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Shouldn’t we be creating data for both humans and machines?


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It's important for ALL creative works. That's why it's too bad that the data only separates between "main entry" and "other" without further distinction. But without some role coding, all you can know, from a machine interpretation point of view, is "main/other." Oh, and most of the time we don't even know the role of the main entry, because "main entry" isn't a creative role.

Take this as a lesson of the difference between creating data for humans, and creating data for machines. We're still doing the former. Should we continue to do so?


On 10/22/14 10:42 AM, Gordon, Bruce J. wrote:

For sound and audiovisual items the distinction between contributor and creator is important.




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On Oct 22, 2014, at 1:19 PM, J. McRee Elrod <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


Joe said:

The LC conversion uses bf:contributor as a default when there is no explicit
role.  The problem is that entities named in 7XXs may be contributors, but
others may be creators ...

I doubt if patrons know or care about a distinction between "contributor"
and" creator"; "agent" introduces a third term not in present rules.

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