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Yes! What is your setup/method to center disks? I've thought about having a groove cut in the center 
spindle of one of my turntables, giving leeway to center the disk, which would then be held down by 
a spindle clamp.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Haley" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Busy Bee records


> LP's too!  And out of round, on LP's, which obviously won't center, ever.
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> Best, John
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> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
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>> Hi John:
>>
>> I agree about centering the disk. I've come to put more weight on this
>> fact in recent times, and have been surprised how many 78s were pressed
>> off-center.
>>
>> -- Tom
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Haley" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 11:15 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Busy Bee records
>>
>>
>>  The advantage of modern styluses is that you can get them with truncated
>>> tips, which you definitely want, especially for restoration purposes.
>>> They
>>> generally play a 78 much cleaner than an original issue pointy tip that is
>>> hitting all the wear in the very bottom of the groove, which it seems can
>>> often be the most worn part of the groove.  You can also get elliptical
>>> ones, which sometimes play better than conical.  It's definitely a trial
>>> and error thing, as the history of the individual record matters a lot.
>>>
>>> Nauck sells all of these (see prior link that I posted), which is where I
>>> bought my array of styluses for restoration work.  While I have not
>>> compared to styluses available elsewhere, these have worked really well
>>> for
>>> me.  You can generally tell which of several styluses is "right" by which
>>> gives the strongest and least noisy result.  Sometimes I play little
>>> samples using different styluses and record them all to .wav files, then
>>> take my time comparing by playing back the .wav files and comparing this
>>> against that.  It is much easier to compare four or five samples this way,
>>> where the results are not obvious upon first playing.  For regular
>>> commercial 78's, especially after the acoustic era, the starting point is
>>> usually a 2.75 TE (truncated elliptical).  This is often the best one.
>>> For
>>> transcription discs, there is no standard.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the tip about the different kinds of Stanton 500 cartridges.  I
>>> didn't know about the plastic-case ones.  I just looked at mine, which I
>>> have had forever, and it has a gold metal case.
>>>
>>> Finding the best stylus is just the first step.  Actually getting the 78
>>> record centered perfectly comes first.  Next it is imperative, really
>>> imperative, to work with phono-equalization curves at the preamp level to
>>> find the "right" match.  It makes a huge difference.  That's a whole
>>> 'nuther topic.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi John:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you that the Stanton 500 makes a good chasis for 78RPM
>>>> playback, but we should clarify that there are Stanton 500's with
>>>> metal-colored (I think actual stainless or aluminum) bodies and then
>>>> there
>>>> are white-colored plastic versions sold in the late years of China-based
>>>> "Stanton." I have both kinds, and the metal-colored one sounds much
>>>> better,
>>>> to my ears. I think the plastic one resonates or makes some other
>>>> frequency
>>>> anomoly due to its body design.
>>>>
>>>> Since "Stanton" no longer makes a model 500, the choice today is the
>>>> Shure
>>>> M78, which is based on the M44 and fitted with a conical wide-groove
>>>> stylus. I don't know this for fact but I'm pretty sure that the guys at
>>>> Expert Stylus in the UK would fit generic M44 stylus assemblies with
>>>> whatever tips a 78 collector desired. It's non-ideal, not as good as when
>>>> Shure itself made a high-quality 78 playback system with many needle
>>>> options (and real-deal Stanton did at the same time). But for 90+% of
>>>> wide-groove playing, it'll do the trick.
>>>>
>>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Haley" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 3:56 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Busy Bee records
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  You can also buy styluses in various sizes from Nauck, here:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www117.safesecureweb.com/78rpm/Merchant2/merchant.
>>>>> mvc?Session_ID=
>>>>> 39a49a1bd245242e82a072ec55d8b371&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=NRC&
>>>>> Product_Code=112-113&Category_Code=112
>>>>>
>>>>> and see the good advice toward the bottom of that page.  Most people I
>>>>> know
>>>>> use a Stanton 500 cartridge to play 78's (as I do).
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> John H. Haley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Mark Hendrix <
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Ben Roth wrote, "Does anyone know what type of stylus or cartridge
>>>>> should
>>>>>
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> used for Busy Bee records?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello, Ben,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is some information that I hope will help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cartridges: Shure M-44 (still manufactured) with the N44-C stylus (I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> know if this is still manufactured; the N 44/7 stylus is the LP
>>>>>> version)
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> the Stanton 500 series (no longer manufactured) with  the Stanton
>>>>>> stylus
>>>>>> made for playing 78s (D5127 stylus, blue plastic stylus holder, also no
>>>>>> longer manufactured; the D5110, white plastic stylus holder, is the LP
>>>>>> version).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Busy Bee disc records were lateral cut records designed to be played
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>> steel needle.  These needles had a tip radius of approximately 3 mil,
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> 'mil' means 'one thousandth of an inch.'  You will get the best sound
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> choosing a stylus that plays the portion of the groove that was NOT
>>>>>> touched
>>>>>> by the original playback equipment, so depending on how worn your
>>>>>> records
>>>>>> are, you need a variety of styli to ride above or below where the steel
>>>>>> needle traveled to get the best reproduction.
>>>>>> So, for styli: short answer: 2.3 mil, 2.7 mil, and 3.5 mil -sized styli
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> handle the majority of "78's" you will encounter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For general playback info from a collector's (and professional
>>>>>> remastering
>>>>>> engineer's) point of view, try the late Roger Beardsley's article at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.therecordcollector.org/articles/aguidetoplaying7.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He recommends - a set of 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 and 3.5 mil (or alternatively
>>>>>> 2.0,
>>>>>> 2.8 and 3.2 mil) truncated elliptical styli should do for a start; you
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> rarely come across a record that does not sound acceptable with one of
>>>>>> these, although in some cases an 1.5 mil or a 4.0 mil improves the
>>>>>> reproduction noticeably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is where you can find Expert Stylus' recommendations:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.78tours.com/Expert_Stylus_Company.htm>
>>>>>> I hope this is helpful.  Best wishes, Mark Hendrix
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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