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Well: First there was Henry Ford, and then there were the Dodge Brothers - and how they manufactured automobiles has everything to do with this thread.A quick skim of Simpn Headıs ³The New Ruthless Economy*² will point out that the initial stages of mass production were characterized by assembly lines designed to create specific products. Ford perfected this strategy, thinking that variety of product lines was not required. This is the mode of production that library luminaries admired and adopted, because thatıs what was available - efficient generation of a uniform product. It was only when the Dodge Brothers (using money they got for suing Henry Ford) started General Motors that the idea of *deliberately* varying model output in an assembly line architecture took root. Their solution was to design a common underlying production substrate into which manufacturing elements designed to produce new models could be plugged. Mass product of products that could be varied periodically. Libraries did not adopt this method (whether they knew about the distinction or not). They did not have a physical infrastructure that could support that kind of resource description strategy. We are only reaching that point (as a promissory note), with W3C techıs RDF playing the underlying infrastructure role. But whereıs the theory/experiment/design mechanism that would provide guidance for evolutionary/revolutionary changes in IT system design? I think that the 19th-century industrialization of the library squeezed out most of what could have become a theory/experiment/design mechanism in the search for Ford-like mass production perfection. Competitors mostly wanted to swap out the main classification scheme for their preferred one, but rearchitecting the bibliographic description & access substructure was out of reach. But today is different. Goodreads, BIBFRAME you name it are all part of an unrecognized, W3C-implemented, General Motors-like strategy for building variant resource description schemes on a common substrate. Lots of resource description schemes out there now. The important question for me is whether the W3C XML/RDF substrate has sufficient capability to enable resource description structures that genuinely improve on existing ones. Sperberg & McQueen warned about XML's limitations in representing nonhierarchical structures. Its not clear to me that RDF addressed all of S&Qıs concerns. Ron Murray * http://www.amazon.com/New-Ruthless-Economy-Power-Digital/dp/0195179838/ -------------- Ronald J, Murray Digital Conversion Specialist Preservation Reformatting Division Library of Congress Washington DC 20540 email: [log in to unmask] phone: (202) 707-9610 On 3/29/15, 1:32 PM, "James Weinheimer" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >On 3/27/2015 5:46 PM, Kelley McGrath wrote: > > I strongly disagree with the statement that someone who understands >MARCXML can do whatever they want with the data. I think I have a pretty >good grasp of MARC and I have spent countless frustrating hours trying >to get information out of MARC records (and not always succeeding). > > Granted, I'm not a developer, but I've worked with people who are >good developers so I don't think that's the bottleneck. > > > > That said, I'm not sure that Bibframe is going to fix my problems. > >[sorry, my cat walked on my keyboard and sent the message too soon!] > >MARCXML is not particularly friendly to extracting some of the >information, but it can be done nevertheless. Certainly it can be made >easier but that doesn't mean that it can't be done. A lot of that >information is buried in the fixed fields which are crazy, but much of >that information is less important for the public. Besides, relatively >few need the width of the tape is 1/4 in. (which equals value "m" in >007/07 when 007/00 is "s"). Such information can still be extracted. >There has been ample time (20 years or so?), plus there used to be >money, but there is much less now. > >In conjunction with the basic statement that libraries could have >created lots of things and they haven't. Look at the other sites on the >web, for instance, Goodreads really should have been made by libraries. >We aleady have all the information. That was a missed opportunity. > >The problems have not been format. Obviously, the problems are elsewhere. > >James Weinheimer [log in to unmask] >First Thus http://blog.jweinheimer.net >First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus >Personal Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/james.weinheimer.35 >Google+ https://plus.google.com/u/0/+JamesWeinheimer >Cooperative Cataloging Rules >http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ >Cataloging Matters Podcasts >http://blog.jweinheimer.net/cataloging-matters-podcasts >The Library Herald http://libnews.jweinheimer.net/ > >[delay +30 days]