You're welcome. I got to feeling bad about not digging into RDA, so here are the citations. 1. The reason that other title information of the series usually doesn't show up in the AR is that it usually doesn't show up in the bib, following 184.108.40.206 "Record other title information of a series only if considered necessary for the identification of the series." Then, the rules for constructing the authorized access points take the title proper as the starting point. But if you do consider the other title information important enough to be in the bib., it can be reflected in the 670. The practice of using a 667 note and making a cross reference is found in the "Z" section of the Descriptive Cataloging Manual, the section on the 667 field: "If the subtitle could be interpreted as the title proper of the series or as a subseries, note the subtitle in a 667 field and give it as a 4XX variant access point: 667 $a Subtitle: [title of subtitle]" 2. I don't think it says anywhere not to use "Series" in this case, but the general principle is to use qualifiers that are needed to distinguish one authorized access point from another. The general rules for qualifying series titles are LC-PCC PS for 220.127.116.11 3. 18.104.22.168 Sources of Information Take the numbering within a series from the following sources (in order of preference): a) the series title page b) another source within the resource itself (see 2.2.2) c) one of the other sources of information specified at 2.2.4. Amy -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Yan Liao Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 3:09 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Need help with a series title Amy, thanks a lot for the help. :) -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Amy Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 2:51 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Need help with a series title 1. The other title information can show up in the authority record in the 670 field (reflecting the 490) or it can be given in a 667 field (see for example n 96048920). If you think people are likely to see the other title information as the title, it can be used as a 430 (be sure to check for conflicts) 2. The qualifier (Series) is not needed because you are not distinguishing from a title that is not a series or from a corporate body. Having checked that "Cambridge University Press" is established in the LCNAF, I would set this up as: Integration through law (Cambridge University Press) 3. The rule for sources of series information is to work your way down the hierarchy until you find something, then keep going if there are variants. So the title page verso is a valid source for numbering that is not found in a more preferred source. Forgive me for not citing rule numbers here. Under AACR2, a lot of information about series was found only in LCRIs, sometimes only in training material, and I'm still slow at finding things in RDA. Others can chime in if I have missed anything in this seat-of-the pants answer. Hope this helps, Amy [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Yan Liao Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 1:54 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [PCCLIST] Need help with a series title Folks, we have a bit complex situation regarding to establishing a series title. The book title is Rules of origin in ASEAN. On the book cover and series title page, it has Integration Through Law (big font) The Role of Law and the Rule of Law in ASEAN Integration (small fonts) (no numbering info on cover or title page) On the title page verso, it has: Integration through law: the role of law and the rule of law in asean integration ; 1 In the publisher's website, it has Integration through law: the role of law and the rule of law in ASEAN integration http://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/law/public-international-law/series/integration-through-law-role-law-and-rule-law-asean-integration with no numbering info. While searching authority file, there is already another series title established for Integration through law. Here are the questions: 1. Should the other title info (the role of law and the rule of law in asean integration) be included in the authority record in this case? Or it can only show up in 490 (based on RDA 2.12.4)? 2. Normally we don't use other title information to distinguish series title, but rather using form of the title/other institution/place of the publication, etc. as additional qualifier. So under the case, should 830 for the series title be: Integration through law (Series) (Cambridge University Press)? 3. Should I include the numbering info? BTW: if trust the numbering info on the t.p, verso (2.12.9), the starting year of the series would be 2015.