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Oh, so *that's* why I love my VRIIs. Best explanation I've heard. I still use my Junior High School VRII ! On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:04 PM, DAVID BURNHAM <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Mr. Howarth > There are so many strange things in what you say, but to isolate a couple > of them, unless you are cutting another disc, (highly unlikely), you never > get back to hill and dale. I think what you are trying to say is that if > you isolate and address all the noise on each channel separtately and then > recombine you will get closer to the original desired signal. I used to do > that but I soon discovered that you really don't accomplish anything and if > you combine the channels to mono first and then remove the crackle and > noise, the signal comes out even cleaner, since your nr system has less > noise to deal with so it can do it more efficiently. > > I fix a lot of mono lateral recordings by converting to MS and treating > the vertical and horizontally independently then recombining. Often the > garbage in the vertical can be isolated and added back into the lateral out > of polarity and it cleans up dramatically. > > > > On any lateral recording, the "M" is all lateral, (as is the desired > signal), and the "S" is all vertical. So on any lateral recording, the "S" > component is nothing but noise. There's nothing you can do to the "S" > component which will be of any help when recombining it with the "M" > component. All it can do is introduce more noise, if it does anything at > all. More is accomplished simply by combining to two channels into mono, > which completely eliminates the vertical or "S" component. If you're > dealing with a vertical cut record all the "M"s and "S"s in the foregoing > can be reversed. > > Now a problem with using a stereo cartridge on 78s is that noise elements > on either side of the groove will show up when the channels are combined, > (just like if you play a stereo record and combine the channels, left only > and right only signals are still heard). If, however, you use a cartridge > like the old GE VRII, which has no vertical compliance at all, you will get > an ever cleaner rendering of your 78s because the stylus is backed by a > rubber cushion which prevents vertical movement. > > db > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 6:32 PM, JAMES HOWARTH <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > Digitizing in stereo also allows decrackling and declipping of the groove > walls independently then re-combining them to get back the hill and dale. > I fix a lot of mono lateral recordings by converting to MS and treating > the vertical and horizontally independently then recombining. Often the > garbage in the vertical can be isolated and added back into the lateral out > of polarity and it cleans up dramatically. > > > > > > On May 5, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > Hello Mr. Roth - all I meant is that you can have the cartridge phased > normally i.e. when you play a modern stereo record, it will be correct. You > don't need to physically re-wire your cartridge unless you intend to just > listen to the music. When I'm recording, I have the volume low because I am > more concerned with listening to the final product. When I said out of > phase I meant out of phase for vertical records. I have one turtable I use > for almost all recording and like to keep is simple - I still have about > 100 diamond discs - would you like a list? -Mickey > > > > > > > > Follow me on Twitter > > https://twitter.com/MickeyRClark > > M.C.Productions Vintage Recordings > > 710 Westminster Ave. West > > Penticton BC > > V2A 1K8 > > 1-250-462-7881 > > http://mcproductions.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Roth" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Playing Edison Diamond discs > > > > > >> Greetings, Mr. Clark > >> > >> Thank you for responding to my inquiry. > >> > >> I'm not quite sure what you meant by "record in stereo (out of phase)". > >> Are you referring to the wiring of the cartridge for vertical grooves? > >> > >> Also, "invert the phase of one channel" and combine for mono. > >> I use Sony Sound Forge 9 which has an "Invert/Flip" tool. > >> It turns the wave of that channel upside down. > >> Is that what I need to do? > >> Please explain a little further. > >> Thank you. > >> > >> Ben Roth > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mickey Clark > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:53 AM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Playing Edison Diamond discs > >> > >> If you're using a computer, you can record in stereo (out of phase) , > then using a wave editor, invert the phase of one channel, then combine for > mono. > >> I know the process - and the sound will be horrible until you combine > the tracks for mono - then all the noices will miraculously disappear!!! I > use the same cartridge for modern stereo and verticals - saves a lot of > hassle to do it this way and you don't need a designated cartridge wired > for verticals - Mickey Clark > >> > >> > >> Follow me on Twitter > >> https://twitter.com/MickeyRClark > >> M.C.Productions Vintage Recordings > >> 710 Westminster Ave. West > >> Penticton BC > >> V2A 1K8 > >> 1-250-462-7881 > >> http://mcproductions.ca > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "James Roth" <[log in to unmask]> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 7:58 AM > >> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Playing Edison Diamond discs > >> > >> > >>> Hello everyone, > >>> > >>> I am transferring Edison Diamond disks. > >>> I'm using a Shure M44-7 with a 3.5 FCR stylus from Expert Stylus. > >>> I think I've rewired the leads properly for a hill-n-dale groove. > >>> The turntable is a Technics Quartz SL 1200 Mk 2. > >>> I'm using a KAB Great Sound Escort pre-amp. > >>> Still, the sound leaves much to be desired. > >>> > >>> I'm having an extra hard time transferring the Liszt 2nd Hungarian > >>> Rhapsody p/b Rachmaninoff. > >>> Any suggestions? > >>> > >>> Thank you. > >>> Ben Roth > >>> > >>> P.S. I strongly dislike that cadenza of Rachmaninoff! I don't think > Liszt > >>> would have like it either. > >>> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >> http://www.avast.com > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > http://www.avast.com > > >