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Hi Pete,

My response wasn't directed specifically at your comment. Yours was  
just the last one posted before I decided to respond. So, please don't  
take my comments personally.

As for what exactly is offensive? There's a level that I find  
recording gender at all in NAF offensive. The intellectual output of a  
person has nothing to do with their gender. But more specifically that  
there have been discussions how to record the transition in an  
authority record, commenters have been using "his/her" and "it" when  
talking about Ms. Jenner. And other little microaggressions that stack  
up.

I think this conversation is useful for the cataloging community. It's  
most definitely an evolving topic. Especially with the developing LC  
Demographic Group terms list.

Best,
Amber Billey

Quoting "Wilson, Pete" <[log in to unmask]>:

> What, precisely, has been offensive?  The fact that we are having  
> the discussion at all?  If not, what points of view do you consider  
> offensive?  I think it is fair for me to ask this because it was my  
> post you were technically responding to.  My post was specifically  
> about the interesting (well, to me) questions raised by the use of  
> 375 for non-humans.  For instance, imagine trying to come up with a  
> 375 for the lovable children's book character Al the Amoeba.   
> Obviously this was a bit of a joke but it had nothing to do with  
> Caitlyn Jenner.  Absolutely nothing, I promise.  I'll leave off with  
> the facetiae here, though.
>
> Pete Wilson
> Vanderbilt University
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Amber M Billey
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:45 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>
> I can no longer sit back and watch this listserv go on about this  
> topic without commenting. It is frankly offensive and insensitive. I  
> will remind everyone that we have transgender members of our  
> community who are on this list, and I cannot even imagine what they  
> are feeling while reading this thread. I will remind everyone that  
> sex and gender are two completely different concepts. Sex is  
> biological while gender is a cultural construction.
>
> Caitlyn Jenner is a transgender woman. We accept her for who she is  
> as she presents herself. END. OF. STORY.
>
> A wonderful example of a NAF for a transgender person is Kate Bornstein.
>
> http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n93121104.html
>
> And I strongly suggest that people on this list read her work.
>
> http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38550618
>
> And read our article while your at it.
>
> http://scholarworks.uvm.edu/libfacpub/19/
>
> It will help you understand why we need to critically think about  
> how and why we record gender in Name Authority Files.
>
> Yours in cataloging,
> Amber Billey
>
>
> Quoting "Wilson, Pete" <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> Perhaps we need an option in 375 for "asexually reproducing."
>>
>> Pete Wilson
>> Vanderbilt University
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff
>> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 7:51 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>>
>> Real animals certainly do have biological genders (some can be
>> intersex though, no doubt, just like humans), so I think the
>> definitions in RDA just need tweaking. If you look up biblical figures
>> and deities and other mythological characters, 375 has been used in
>> those records too.
>>
>> Adam Schiff
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2015, Matthew C. Haugen wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 19:37:04 -0400
>>> From: Matthew C. Haugen <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Reply-To: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>>>
>>> Getting back to the topic of gender, I notice that Miss Piggy's NAR
>>> has 375 female, and Kermit's has 375 male.
>>>
>>> The RDA glossary has these definitions:
>>>
>>> Female: The gender designation for woman or girl
>>> Male: The gender designation for man or boy Not known (Gender): The
>>> gender designation when specific gender is unknown
>>>
>>> These definitions also to restrict the gender terms in RDA to human
>>> entities, not to animals, spirits, deities, puppets, robots which may
>>> have a biological or ascribed gender. This is separate from the
>>> question of whether the entity is real or fictitious; Brown, Sneaky
>>> Pie, 1982-, apparently a real (and quite old) cat, also has 375 female.
>>>
>>> Should the glossary be changed? Or should gender not be recorded for
>>> non-human entities?
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Adam L. Schiff
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And yet, when you search Wikipedia for Bruce Jenner's entry, what
>>>> comes up is an entry with Caitlyn Jenner at the head of the article.
>>>> So even that popularly source resource recognizes a single identity
>>>> now known as Caitlyn Jenner.  Bruce Jenner redirects to Caitlyn
>>>> Jenner - that is, Bruce Jenner is a variant form or see reference to
>>>> Caitlyn Jenner.
>>>>
>>>> Adam Schiff
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2015, Chris Baer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 15:58:49 -0400
>>>>> From: Chris Baer <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Reply-To: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it is interesting that this discussion quickly moved into
>>>>> the realm of fiction and show-biz fluff, like Bob Hoskins’ car
>>>>> going through the tunnel into Toon Town.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I was asking was a practical question connected to the
>>>>> phenomenon of documentation, not authorship or stage personas.
>>>>>
>>>>> The situation is: a person with a collection of press photos,
>>>>> perhaps the photo morgue of a defunct newspaper; an archivist
>>>>> working for a television station or network who has footage of
>>>>> Jenner ca. 1976 AND 2015; a person who has a Wheaties box in a
>>>>> collection of packaging, or advertising artwork for said box.  With
>>>>> what name should these objects be tagged?  In the middle situation,
>>>>> it would be necessary at times to pick out either Jenner I or
>>>>> Jenner II, but not the other, on short notice.  To call both
>>>>> Caitlyn seems to me absurd.  Jenner’s state of mind at the time  
>>>>> is a non-issue.
>>>>> It takes us through that tunnel into the realms of subjectivity and
>>>>> metaphysics.  There is ample evidence in the materials at hand that
>>>>> he presented himself as Bruce, took the acknowledgement of others
>>>>> as such, and signed papers as such.  That he underwent changes of
>>>>> whatever sort, culminating in a full transition, does not erase the
>>>>> past, even if subjectively he might want to rewrite it.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why I put “bibliographic identity” in ironic quotes.  This kind
>>>>> of description has nothing to do with “biblio-anything.”   It is a matter
>>>>> of accurately describing what is in front of you so that people
>>>>> coming after will have a good idea of what it is, why it was made,
>>>>> and all those other basic reportorial questions.  Lumping Jenner
>>>>> personas together kind of makes sense when it is two or three
>>>>> things on a bookshelf, but not with things like these that are more
>>>>> likely arranged by provenance and not artificially collected together.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing that makes this situation interesting is that Jenner I &
>>>>> II are radically different, physically, occupation, sphere of
>>>>> activity, etc.  This is surely more profound than a transvestite
>>>>> putting on temporary things like clothing or wigs, or an actor
>>>>> getting into costume for a role.  Divine out of costume and makeup
>>>>> was no longer recognizably Divine unless he spoke and told you so.
>>>>> Interestingly, I could not find him under either name on the Social
>>>>> Security Death Index, but I would bet that his autopsy and death
>>>>> certificate read Harris Glenn Milstead.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that the operative phrase is “we as librarians …”  Most
>>>>> likely the person dealing with a TV station’s photo archive is not
>>>>> librarian, nor is the collector of advertising ephemera or
>>>>> autographs, nor the fans, who as I seem to recollect from the
>>>>> “Village Voice” long ago, were in a rush to buy Divine’s personal
>>>>> effects at auction.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have pointed out before, the problems with library systems
>>>>> like NACO are, first, its acute biblio-centrism, its old basic
>>>>> mission to collate books into as few pigeon holes as possible for
>>>>> efficient retrieval, and second, what might be called, parodying
>>>>> the Maxians, its commodity fetishism.  That is, what counts is if a
>>>>> being has been commodified either by itself or others so that it
>>>>> constitutes a “commodity-persona” (a possible alternate for
>>>>> “bibliographic
>>>>> identity”) or known quantity or marquee name, and then is attached
>>>>> in some way to a work that itself is a commodity and propagated as
>>>>> such, purchases and stuck on shelves or drives or whatever.  So
>>>>> Barry Humphries and Dame Edna are for library purposes distinct
>>>>> commodities, but only if “they” write under both names, whereas
>>>>> from an archival/administrative perspective, there is only Barry
>>>>> Humphries, and Dame Edna is just him in a intentionally misleading
>>>>> wrapper.  Dame Edna does not have a passport or hea!
>>>>>
>>>> lth insurance.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Allowing that this situation would not have been possible without
>>>>> modern medical techniques, Jenner I & II are definitely radically
>>>>> different commodities in every sense of the word if any pair are,
>>>>> and in a way that Milstead/Divine and others were not, and they are
>>>>> significantly different as beings, bibliographic identities or not,
>>>>> in the same way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming that the Jenner story is common knowledge and that the
>>>>> patron can figure it out is exactly what I meant by “presentism.”
>>>>> That is true for people devoted to “Inside Edition” and its ilk
>>>>> now, but in the future, Jenner will probably recede like Jim
>>>>> Thorpe, Buster Crabbe, Don Schollander and other Olympic champions
>>>>> of the past, known only to specialists.  Of course, by then no one
>>>>> may care and the works will all have been destroyed.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in the meantime, how does the person describe that Wheaties box art?
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is important both because of the wide range of
>>>>> non-bibliographic works like the hypothetical Jenner images being
>>>>> subject to web-based description, and because of the proliferation
>>>>> of web-based self-publication, self-commodification, and the
>>>>> opportunities for anyone to be one or more celebrities outside the
>>>>> limits of their own heads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Baer
>>>>> Hagley Museum and Library
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 8:25 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>>>>>
>>>>> If Bruce Jenner had been a drag queen who used a Caitlyn persona
>>>>> for performances, maybe that would have been a second identity,
>>>>> “bibliographic”
>>>>> or otherwise.  That is not the case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even then, though, I notice that RuPaul has only one NACO authority
>>>>> record, as do Barry Humphries, who “is” Dame Edna, and Divine, born
>>>>> Glenn Milstead.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Ted cites 9.2.2.8 correctly.  I think a better argument for
>>>>> dual identities could be made for drag performers than for Jenner.
>>>>> How is Dame Edna any less separate a persona than Mark Twain was
>>>>> from Samuel Clemens?
>>>>> What Jenner has done, however, could not be described as
>>>>> maintaining two separate identities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pete Wilson
>>>>> Vanderbilt University
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ted P Gemberling
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 6:56 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>>>>>
>>>>> Pete and Chris:
>>>>> 9.2.2.8 does say: “If an individual *has* more than one identity,
>>>>> choose the name associated with each identity as the preferred name
>>>>> for that identity.” I highlighted the word *has* because that
>>>>> distinguishes this section from the previous one, which is about an
>>>>> individual who changes his name. 9.2.2.7 says if an individual
>>>>> changes his name, use the latest name as the established form.
>>>>> Jenner seems to fall under 9.2.2.7. He would be considered for more
>>>>> than one identity if he published things under both names
>>>>> concurrently. The present tense of *has* seems to be important  
>>>>> to 9.2.2.8.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now of course it’s true that changing your gender is a lot bigger
>>>>> deal than changing your name. But I doubt that we as librarians can
>>>>> take account of that distinction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted Gemberling
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:23 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you can propose a new way of looking at this, but there have
>>>>> been many cases of sex changes already and many examples of name
>>>>> authority records for the people involved.  So far, we are treating
>>>>> both the before person and the after person as the same person,
>>>>> which seems appropriate to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is already established that a (significant) change of name means
>>>>> a new authority for a corporate body, but not usually for a person.
>>>>> Names vary all the time.  Rosanne has been credited as Rosanne
>>>>> Arnold here and Rosanne Barr there.  We trace her as just “Rosanne,
>>>>> 1952- “ anyway.  Farrah Fawcett has frequently been credited or
>>>>> referred to as Farrah Fawcett-Majors, but we don’t call that a
>>>>> separate identity.  Why is this a special case?
>>>>>  Jenner would argue that she is the same person she always was.  If
>>>>> a special approach is not needed in principle for this case, is it
>>>>> needed just to avoid mass confusion?  I seriously doubt it.  The
>>>>> general public knows Jenner and her story and can work it out.  In
>>>>> the case of a less-known person for whom there might be more
>>>>> confusion, we wouldn’t even be talking about this—and that kind of
>>>>> confusion occurs in regard to lesser-known people for all sorts of
>>>>> reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pete Wilson
>>>>> Vanderbilt University
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Baer
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>>>>>
>>>>> Not so fast.  What is a “bibliographic identity” anyway?  Surely
>>>>> nothing that any other discipline would recognize, or the IRS, or
>>>>> the DMV or any agency of the state.  This seems to me to be another
>>>>> example of catalogers thinking that their resources are somehow
>>>>> more “real” than the things represented in them.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is in fact a biological entity that was born a man and
>>>>> transitioned to a woman.  This is quite different than simply
>>>>> choosing to write different variants of one’s name, using initials,
>>>>> adopting a gang nickname or criminal alias, etc.  Such a change of
>>>>> identity must in fact be recognized by the state through the
>>>>> issuing of new papers, etc.  This is quite different from someone
>>>>> appearing in certain situations under a stage name or writing under
>>>>> one or more pseudonyms.  It is in fact a true case of earlier/later
>>>>> names and receives official sanction as such.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are also practical considerations, especially as regards to
>>>>> original documentation.  Given her age, what are we going to see
>>>>> from Caitlyn after the media frenzy dies down?  A tell-all memoir?
>>>>> Case studies by social scientists and advocates?  Compare that with
>>>>> all the extant photographic and video footage of Bruce, not to
>>>>> mention Wheaties ads, a terrible movie, and who knows what else.
>>>>> Are these all to be identified now as Caitlyn?  Really?!  Are the
>>>>> official Olympic and other registries of athletic records to be
>>>>> revised as in Stalin’s Russia?  The fact is that, unlike some of
>>>>> the other gender reassignment cases, the achievements as Bruce and
>>>>> those as Caitlyn will be very different, if only because of age.
>>>>> Whatever one’s views of the politics of the matter, this is a
>>>>> significant enough change to count as a before-and-after, which is
>>>>> how the law would recognize it.  The same would be true of any
>>>>> other change of name that receives legal sanction through the filin!
>>>>>
>>>> g of official papers for whatever reason, whether of a person, ship,
>>>> building, kept animal, or whatever.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As a historian, I find this sort of flattening of historical
>>>>> complexity disturbing, when it leads to the creation of false or
>>>>> anachronistic labels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Baer
>>>>> Hagley Museum and Library
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 5:56 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>>>>>
>>>>> No.  The same “bibliographic identity” used to be called Bruce and
>>>>> is now called Caitlyn.  See Wendy Carlos, Deirdre N. McCloskey and
>>>>> Jan Morris
>>>>> (1926-) for other examples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pete Wilson
>>>>> Vanderbilt University
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ted P Gemberling
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 4:44 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura,
>>>>> I just wonder: does that constitute a different bibliographic identity?
>>>>> Should there be a 500 for Bruce Jenner?
>>>>> Ted Gemberling
>>>>> UAB Lister Hill Library
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Laura Elizabeth
>>>>> Simpson
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 4:12 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>> Hope you’re having a good day. I was just wondering about how
>>>>> people feel about the 375 in this record.  That’s the first time
>>>>> I’ve actually someone explicitly identified as transgender in a
>>>>> 375, but I can’t help wondering whether they would want to be
>>>>> labeled as such. I am just curious and wanted to be respectful to
>>>>> anyone whose NAR I am working with in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!!
>>>>> Laura
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> 010  n  79022162
>>>>> 040  DLC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc DLC ǂd WaU
>>>>> 046  ǂf 19491028
>>>>> 1001 Jenner, Caitlyn, ǂd 1949-
>>>>> 370  Mount Kisco (N.Y.) ǂc United States ǂe Malibu (Calif.) ǂ2 naf
>>>>> 372  Decathlon ǂa Acting ǂ2 lcsh
>>>>> 373  Olympic Games (20th : 1972 : Munich, Germany) ǂa Olympic Games
>>>>> (21st
>>>>> : 1976 : Montréal, Québec) ǂ2 naf
>>>>> 374  Decathletes ǂa Olympic athletes ǂa Actors ǂa Television
>>>>> personalities ǂ2 lcsh
>>>>> 375  transgender woman
>>>>> 375  female ǂs 2015
>>>>> 375  male ǂs 1949 ǂt 2015
>>>>> 377  eng
>>>>> 378  ǂq William Bruce
>>>>> 4001 Jenner, Bruce, ǂd 1949- ǂw nne
>>>>> 4001 Jenner, William Bruce, ǂd 1949-
>>>>> 670  His Decathlon challenge, c1977.
>>>>> 670  Wikipedia, February 8, 2015 ǂb (Bruce Jenner; William Bruce
>>>>> Jenner (born October 28, 1949) is a former U.S. track and field
>>>>> athlete and current television personality. He won the gold medal
>>>>> in the decathlon at the 1976 Summer Olympics held in Montreal; born Mt.
>>>>> Kisco, New York;
>>>>> residence: Malibu, California; tenth place at the 1972 Summer
>>>>> Olympics held in Munich, Germany; following Jenner's Olympic
>>>>> victory, his professional career led to new success in television.
>>>>> By 1981, he had starred in several made-for-TV movies and was Erik
>>>>> Estrada's replacement briefly on the top-rated TV series CHiPs;
>>>>> nominated for the 1980 Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Actor for
>>>>> his performance in Can't Stop the Music. That was the end of his
>>>>> theatrical movie career until he appeared in 2011's Jack and Jill
>>>>> in a scene with Al Pacino as an actor in a play)
>>>>> 670  Bruce Jenner comes out as transgender woman, via NBC News
>>>>> website, April 24, 2015 ǂb (Former Olympic champion and reality
>>>>> television star Bruce Jenner broke the silence on transitioning to
>>>>> a woman Friday [April 24, 2015], telling ABC's Diane Sawyer, "For
>>>>> all intents and purposes, I am a woman") ǂu
>>>>> http://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/celebrity/bruce-jenner-comes-out
>>>>> -
>>>>> transgender-woman-n348181
>>>>> 670  Caitlyn Jenner, formerly Bruce Jenner, debuts on the cover of
>>>>> Vanity Fair, via CBC News website, posted Jun 01, 2015, viewed June
>>>>> 2, 2015 ǂb (Caitlyn Jenner; transgender Olympic gold medallist and
>>>>> reality star makes public debut as a woman; the iconic U.S.
>>>>> Olympian and parent in the extended Kardashian family formerly
>>>>> known as Bruce Jenner debuted as a woman Monday [June 1, 2015] on
>>>>> the cover of Vanity Fair magazine) ǂu
>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/caitlyn-jenner-formerly-bruce-jenne
>>>>> r
>>>>> -debuts-on-the-cover-of-vanity-fair-1.3095470
>>>>> 670  Wikipedia, June 2, 2015 ǂb (Caitlyn Jenner (born October 28,
>>>>> 1949), formerly known as Bruce Jenner; American former track and
>>>>> field athlete and current television personality; born William
>>>>> Bruce Jenner, Mount Kisco, New York; residence: Malibu, California;
>>>>> other
>>>>> names: Bruce Jenner (1949-2015))
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______
>>>>> Laura Simpson
>>>>> Assistant Librarian/Cataloger
>>>>> Mervyn H. Sterne Library
>>>>> Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham
>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> / 205-934-3512
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> Adam L. Schiff
>>>> Principal Cataloger
>>>> University of Washington Libraries
>>>> Box 352900
>>>> Seattle, WA 98195-2900
>>>> (206) 543-8409
>>>> (206) 685-8782 fax
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>> http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matthew C. Haugen
>>> Rare Book Cataloger
>>> 102 Butler Library
>>> Columbia University Libraries
>>> E-mail: [log in to unmask]
>>> Phone: 212-851-2451
>>>
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Adam L. Schiff
>> Principal Cataloger
>> University of Washington Libraries
>> Box 352900
>> Seattle, WA 98195-2900
>> (206) 543-8409
>> (206) 685-8782 fax
>> [log in to unmask]
>> http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~