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If Bruce Jenner had been a drag queen who used a Caitlyn persona for performances, maybe that would have been a second identity, “bibliographic” or otherwise. That is not the case. Even then, though, I notice that RuPaul has only one NACO authority record, as do Barry Humphries, who “is” Dame Edna, and Divine, born Glenn Milstead. I think Ted cites 9.2.2.8 correctly. I think a better argument for dual identities could be made for drag performers than for Jenner. How is Dame Edna any less separate a persona than Mark Twain was from Samuel Clemens? What Jenner has done, however, could not be described as maintaining two separate identities. Pete Wilson Vanderbilt University From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ted P Gemberling Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 6:56 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question Pete and Chris: 9.2.2.8 does say: “If an individual *has* more than one identity, choose the name associated with each identity as the preferred name for that identity.” I highlighted the word *has* because that distinguishes this section from the previous one, which is about an individual who changes his name. 9.2.2.7 says if an individual changes his name, use the latest name as the established form. Jenner seems to fall under 9.2.2.7. He would be considered for more than one identity if he published things under both names concurrently. The present tense of *has* seems to be important to 9.2.2.8. Now of course it’s true that changing your gender is a lot bigger deal than changing your name. But I doubt that we as librarians can take account of that distinction. Ted Gemberling From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:23 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question Chris, Well, you can propose a new way of looking at this, but there have been many cases of sex changes already and many examples of name authority records for the people involved. So far, we are treating both the before person and the after person as the same person, which seems appropriate to me. It is already established that a (significant) change of name means a new authority for a corporate body, but not usually for a person. Names vary all the time. Rosanne has been credited as Rosanne Arnold here and Rosanne Barr there. We trace her as just “Rosanne, 1952- “ anyway. Farrah Fawcett has frequently been credited or referred to as Farrah Fawcett-Majors, but we don’t call that a separate identity. Why is this a special case? Jenner would argue that she is the same person she always was. If a special approach is not needed in principle for this case, is it needed just to avoid mass confusion? I seriously doubt it. The general public knows Jenner and her story and can work it out. In the case of a less-known person for whom there might be more confusion, we wouldn’t even be talking about this—and that kind of confusion occurs in regard to lesser-known people for all sorts of reasons. Pete Wilson Vanderbilt University From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Baer Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question Not so fast. What is a “bibliographic identity” anyway? Surely nothing that any other discipline would recognize, or the IRS, or the DMV or any agency of the state. This seems to me to be another example of catalogers thinking that their resources are somehow more “real” than the things represented in them. There is in fact a biological entity that was born a man and transitioned to a woman. This is quite different than simply choosing to write different variants of one’s name, using initials, adopting a gang nickname or criminal alias, etc. Such a change of identity must in fact be recognized by the state through the issuing of new papers, etc. This is quite different from someone appearing in certain situations under a stage name or writing under one or more pseudonyms. It is in fact a true case of earlier/later names and receives official sanction as such. There are also practical considerations, especially as regards to original documentation. Given her age, what are we going to see from Caitlyn after the media frenzy dies down? A tell-all memoir? Case studies by social scientists and advocates? Compare that with all the extant photographic and video footage of Bruce, not to mention Wheaties ads, a terrible movie, and who knows what else. Are these all to be identified now as Caitlyn? Really?! Are the official Olympic and other registries of athletic records to be revised as in Stalin’s Russia? The fact is that, unlike some of the other gender reassignment cases, the achievements as Bruce and those as Caitlyn will be very different, if only because of age. Whatever one’s views of the politics of the matter, this is a significant enough change to count as a before-and-after, which is how the law would recognize it. The same would be true of any other change of name that receives legal sanction through the filing of official papers for whatever reason, whether of a person, ship, building, kept animal, or whatever. As a historian, I find this sort of flattening of historical complexity disturbing, when it leads to the creation of false or anachronistic labels. Chris Baer Hagley Museum and Library From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 5:56 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question No. The same “bibliographic identity” used to be called Bruce and is now called Caitlyn. See Wendy Carlos, Deirdre N. McCloskey and Jan Morris (1926-) for other examples. Pete Wilson Vanderbilt University From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ted P Gemberling Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 4:44 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question Laura, I just wonder: does that constitute a different bibliographic identity? Should there be a 500 for Bruce Jenner? Ted Gemberling UAB Lister Hill Library From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Laura Elizabeth Simpson Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 4:12 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [PCCLIST] Inevitable Caitlyn Jenner NAR question Hi everybody, Hope you’re having a good day. I was just wondering about how people feel about the 375 in this record. That’s the first time I’ve actually someone explicitly identified as transgender in a 375, but I can’t help wondering whether they would want to be labeled as such. I am just curious and wanted to be respectful to anyone whose NAR I am working with in the future. Thanks!! Laura ____ 010 n 79022162 040 DLC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc DLC ǂd WaU 046 ǂf 19491028 1001 Jenner, Caitlyn, ǂd 1949- 370 Mount Kisco (N.Y.) ǂc United States ǂe Malibu (Calif.) ǂ2 naf 372 Decathlon ǂa Acting ǂ2 lcsh 373 Olympic Games (20th : 1972 : Munich, Germany) ǂa Olympic Games (21st : 1976 : Montréal, Québec) ǂ2 naf 374 Decathletes ǂa Olympic athletes ǂa Actors ǂa Television personalities ǂ2 lcsh 375 transgender woman 375 female ǂs 2015 375 male ǂs 1949 ǂt 2015 377 eng 378 ǂq William Bruce 4001 Jenner, Bruce, ǂd 1949- ǂw nne 4001 Jenner, William Bruce, ǂd 1949- 670 His Decathlon challenge, c1977. 670 Wikipedia, February 8, 2015 ǂb (Bruce Jenner; William Bruce Jenner (born October 28, 1949) is a former U.S. track and field athlete and current television personality. He won the gold medal in the decathlon at the 1976 Summer Olympics held in Montreal; born Mt. Kisco, New York; residence: Malibu, California; tenth place at the 1972 Summer Olympics held in Munich, Germany; following Jenner's Olympic victory, his professional career led to new success in television. By 1981, he had starred in several made-for-TV movies and was Erik Estrada's replacement briefly on the top-rated TV series CHiPs; nominated for the 1980 Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Actor for his performance in Can't Stop the Music. That was the end of his theatrical movie career until he appeared in 2011's Jack and Jill in a scene with Al Pacino as an actor in a play) 670 Bruce Jenner comes out as transgender woman, via NBC News website, April 24, 2015 ǂb (Former Olympic champion and reality television star Bruce Jenner broke the silence on transitioning to a woman Friday [April 24, 2015], telling ABC's Diane Sawyer, "For all intents and purposes, I am a woman") ǂu http://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/celebrity/bruce-jenner-comes-out-transgender-woman-n348181 670 Caitlyn Jenner, formerly Bruce Jenner, debuts on the cover of Vanity Fair, via CBC News website, posted Jun 01, 2015, viewed June 2, 2015 ǂb (Caitlyn Jenner; transgender Olympic gold medallist and reality star makes public debut as a woman; the iconic U.S. Olympian and parent in the extended Kardashian family formerly known as Bruce Jenner debuted as a woman Monday [June 1, 2015] on the cover of Vanity Fair magazine) ǂu http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/caitlyn-jenner-formerly-bruce-jenner-debuts-on-the-cover-of-vanity-fair-1.3095470 670 Wikipedia, June 2, 2015 ǂb (Caitlyn Jenner (born October 28, 1949), formerly known as Bruce Jenner; American former track and field athlete and current television personality; born William Bruce Jenner, Mount Kisco, New York; residence: Malibu, California; other names: Bruce Jenner (1949-2015)) ______ Laura Simpson Assistant Librarian/Cataloger Mervyn H. 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