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Thanks Bob.  I left out one important word in all of this: "reprinted"
after "1931."

Gene

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015, Robert Maxwell <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> 1931 would be the date of this manifestation (if we don’t consider new
> printings to constitute new manifestations). It is not necessarily the date
> of the Latin or English expressions, and certaily not the date of the three
> works (Tertullian, *Apology*; Tertullian, *De specatculis*; Minutius
> Felix, *Octavius*)
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> 1. The works.
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> According to Brill’s New Pauly, Tertullian’s *Apology* was published
> about AD 197, so I’d use that as the date of the work.
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> Brill’s New Pauly doesn’t date *De Spectaculis*, but Wikipedia says it
> was written somewhere between 197-202, which seems reasonable so in the
> absence of better evidence (which I don’t have time to go track down now)
> I’d use that as the date of the work for *De Spectaculis*.
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> *Octavius* isn’t apparently very precisely dated. Brill’s New Pauly says
> it was written between 197 and 246. I’d record that as the date of that
> work if I were creating an authority record for it.
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> 2. The Latin expressions reproduced in the Loeb publication:
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> Tertuillian.
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> According to p. xxii of the Loeb text, “the [Latin] text [of Apology] here
> printed is that of Oehler, the standard edition of the nineteenth century.
> … The text used here for the De Spectaculis is taken from the Vienna
> Corpus. … In each case, however, certain variants have been printed …”
>
>
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> According to OCLC, Oehler’s text of the Latin expression of Tertullian’s
> Apology was first published in 1849 so that would be the date of the Latin
> expression of Apology unless you want to consider that the “certain
> variants” added by the translator T.R. Glover create a new expression, in
> which case the date of Glover’s expression would be 1931. But since he
> makes such a big deal about saying he’s using Oehler’s text, I’d probably
> go with 1849 in the record for the expression and say that this is indeed
> Oehler’s expression.
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> The “Vienna Corpus” refers to the edition in Corpus Scriptorum
> Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum. According to
> http://www.tertullian.org/editions_critical/editions_critical.htm#csel De
> spectaculis was published in this Latin expression in 1890, edited by A.
> Rieffershceid and G. Wissowa. So the date of the Latin expression of De
> spectaculis published in the Loeb volume would be 1890.
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> Minutius Felix.
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> According to p. 313 of the Loeb edition, the Latin text of the Octavius is
> “the text prepared by J.P. Waltzing for the Teubner series”. According to
> OCLC, the Waltzing expression was first published in 1912. So that would be
> the date of expression for the expression reproduced in Loeb since it’s the
> same text.
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> 3. The English expressions of the works.
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> In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I usually assume the date of
> expression of the English translations in the Loeb series to be that of the
> earliest Loeb printing. It appears from a check on OCLC that the Glover and
> Rendall translations of these works were first published in the Loeb
> series, so the date of the three English expressions would be 1931.
>
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> Bob
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> Robert L. Maxwell
> Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> (801)422-5568
>
> "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves
> to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
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> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>] *On Behalf Of
> *Gene Fieg
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> *Subject:* Loeb classical library; authority work
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> Before I go to far into this and creating uniform titles for classical
> works in Loeb Classical Library, I would like to know what I use for the
> date of creation in the 046.  Book in hand: Apology ; De spectaculis /
> Tertullian. Octavius / Minucius Felix.  T.p. verso: first printed 1931,
> 1953, 1963, 1966.  T.p.: MCMLXVI.  The latter is in the imprint area.
>
> I think the correct date of creation is 1931 even though the series was
> owned by another publisher allied with Heinemann. See record *39829413,
> LCCN: 31023025.
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> Gene Fieg
>