Thanks Bob. I left out one important word in all of this: "reprinted" after "1931." Gene On Wednesday, December 9, 2015, Robert Maxwell <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > 1931 would be the date of this manifestation (if we don’t consider new > printings to constitute new manifestations). It is not necessarily the date > of the Latin or English expressions, and certaily not the date of the three > works (Tertullian, *Apology*; Tertullian, *De specatculis*; Minutius > Felix, *Octavius*) > > > > 1. The works. > > > > According to Brill’s New Pauly, Tertullian’s *Apology* was published > about AD 197, so I’d use that as the date of the work. > > > > Brill’s New Pauly doesn’t date *De Spectaculis*, but Wikipedia says it > was written somewhere between 197-202, which seems reasonable so in the > absence of better evidence (which I don’t have time to go track down now) > I’d use that as the date of the work for *De Spectaculis*. > > > > *Octavius* isn’t apparently very precisely dated. Brill’s New Pauly says > it was written between 197 and 246. I’d record that as the date of that > work if I were creating an authority record for it. > > > > 2. The Latin expressions reproduced in the Loeb publication: > > > > Tertuillian. > > According to p. xxii of the Loeb text, “the [Latin] text [of Apology] here > printed is that of Oehler, the standard edition of the nineteenth century. > … The text used here for the De Spectaculis is taken from the Vienna > Corpus. … In each case, however, certain variants have been printed …” > > > > According to OCLC, Oehler’s text of the Latin expression of Tertullian’s > Apology was first published in 1849 so that would be the date of the Latin > expression of Apology unless you want to consider that the “certain > variants” added by the translator T.R. Glover create a new expression, in > which case the date of Glover’s expression would be 1931. But since he > makes such a big deal about saying he’s using Oehler’s text, I’d probably > go with 1849 in the record for the expression and say that this is indeed > Oehler’s expression. > > > > The “Vienna Corpus” refers to the edition in Corpus Scriptorum > Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum. According to > http://www.tertullian.org/editions_critical/editions_critical.htm#csel De > spectaculis was published in this Latin expression in 1890, edited by A. > Rieffershceid and G. Wissowa. So the date of the Latin expression of De > spectaculis published in the Loeb volume would be 1890. > > > > Minutius Felix. > > According to p. 313 of the Loeb edition, the Latin text of the Octavius is > “the text prepared by J.P. Waltzing for the Teubner series”. According to > OCLC, the Waltzing expression was first published in 1912. So that would be > the date of expression for the expression reproduced in Loeb since it’s the > same text. > > > > 3. The English expressions of the works. > > > > In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I usually assume the date of > expression of the English translations in the Loeb series to be that of the > earliest Loeb printing. It appears from a check on OCLC that the Glover and > Rendall translations of these works were first published in the Loeb > series, so the date of the three English expressions would be 1931. > > > > Bob > > > > Robert L. Maxwell > Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian > 6728 Harold B. Lee Library > Brigham Young University > Provo, UT 84602 > (801)422-5568 > > "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves > to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. > > > > *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto: > [log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>] *On Behalf Of > *Gene Fieg > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 09, 2015 11:53 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> > *Subject:* Loeb classical library; authority work > > > > Before I go to far into this and creating uniform titles for classical > works in Loeb Classical Library, I would like to know what I use for the > date of creation in the 046. Book in hand: Apology ; De spectaculis / > Tertullian. Octavius / Minucius Felix. T.p. verso: first printed 1931, > 1953, 1963, 1966. T.p.: MCMLXVI. The latter is in the imprint area. > > I think the correct date of creation is 1931 even though the series was > owned by another publisher allied with Heinemann. See record *39829413, > LCCN: 31023025. > > > > Gene Fieg >