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I don't know about the "seized by the government" for the Remington masters. In 1967 or 8, I worked on a film soundtrack which led me to a recording studio in NYC on the west side in the high 40s or low 50s- don't remember exactly. While patrolling the halls, I saw a long line of Remington 10" reels shelved at floor level- maybe 10 feet of them, anyway, a substantial number. I was told they were being stored there but got no further info. Dunno how this fits into the time line as to when or if they were seized. Remington pressings appeared periodically, later labels, as "specials" at Record Hunter stores. I assume the metal masters for these issues and the location of these tapes were connected. Perhaps Jay Sonin can add to this. Steve Smolian -----Original Message----- From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Haley Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 1:55 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Craft Urania Ballet Mecanique I spoke to Tom Null (founder of Varese Sarabande) about that several years ago, and he was vague about location of the Remington (Don Gabor) master tapes but said they could not be accessed anyway as the license to use them had expired. However, for the recordings used for those Remington reissues by Varese Sarabande (there were about 10 of them), it appears that the old Gabor master tapes did survive. The rest are all lost, seized by the government when Remington's successor was arrested, and apparently thereafter destroyed. Beyond that, no details are known about their fate. Best, John Haley On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David Lewis <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > "The Origin of Fire" was reissued by Varèse, and I've used a copy of > their LP to play in lectures about the Cincinnati Symphony/local > recording history before. I'd like a second opinion as the Varèse LP > is ticky and I don't recall their releasing it on CD. Their CDs are > impossible to obtain at a reasonable price these days, IMHO. > > Varèse reissued "The Origin of Fire" from a master provided by Don > Gabor himself -- I hope that they didn't give it back! > > David N. Lewis > Hamilton, OH > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > Wasn't this reissued by Varese? > > > > Steve Smolian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto: > > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Lewis > > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:07 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Craft Urania Ballet Mecanique > > > > David, > > > > Thank you! That was exactly what I needed to know. I will probably > > pick this up, as I really do need a good transfer of "The Origin of > > Fire," a landmark in Cincinnati based recording as you know. > > There is also this download of the original Urania tape, though as > > they can't spell "Hovhaness" I don't suspect I will follow up -- I'm > > not > really > > in the download market anyway. > > > > http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Soundmark%2BRecords/48094 > > > > The reason I asked is that I participate in a monthly "Vinyl Night" > > in Cincinnati and we often memorialize music folk that have passed > > in the short term. I figure there will be tons of Bowie at the > > upcoming night > so I > > thought I'd be different and present on Boulez and Craft. Craft's > > "Ballet Mécanique" is hardly the crisp and disciplined affair that > > the earlier Surinach version for Columbia is, but it's still fun > > listening and the airplane sounds defy description. I wanted, > > though, to determine that > there > > was not more of the piece on the tape than there is on the LP. > > > > For those who might care, a few things about Urania I stumbled upon > > in > the > > course of looking up this question. Apparently the arrangement that > > Steve Smolian describes -- combining distribution with Haydn Society > > -- only lasted from April-November 1955; on November 12, Billboard > > announced the dissolution of their partial merger with "one of the > > principals" saying > "It > > just didn't work out." > > That doesn't mean, of course, that they didn't try again later, as > > Steve suggests. However, it would've been without their president > > and founder Rudolf Koppl, who died October 15, 1956. I wonder how > > they managed to > hang > > on so long; the best known thing about them is the notorious "Urania > > Eroica" which Wilhelm Furtwängler sued to suppress in 1954. > > > > best, > > > > Uncle Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:15 AM, david gideon < > > [log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > > > In response to the question raised earlier, I don’t know if Urania > > > ever issued this on reel tape but Omega did. You can see a copy of > > > the > > tape here: > > > > > > http://www.omegatape.us/stereo2.html#6009 < > > > http://www.omegatape.us/stereo2.html#6009> > > > > > > There is also an mp3 clip posted. Like the LP the Omegatape was > > > missing several minutes of music at the beginning. A unique > > > feature of this performance was the use of actual airplane sounds > > > rather than just the whirring propellors. > > > > > > ReDiscovery reissued this tape as part of a 20th century CD, one > > > of the few titles that is not available as a download (due to the > > > prohibitive costs for licensing non-PD music for download; the > > > rates are much more reasonable for physical discs). It can be found here: > > > > > > http://www.rediscovery.us/compilations.html < > > > http://www.rediscovery.us/compilations.html> > > > > > > dg > > > > > > Yesterday's music in today's sound. > > > http://rediscovery.us > > > > > >