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Steve,

This timeline doesn't fit. The Remington vault was seized by the FBI after
1980, and subsequently destroyed. That's been checked.

best.

Dave

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I don't know about the "seized by the government" for the Remington
> masters.
>
> In 1967 or 8, I worked on a film soundtrack which led me to a recording
> studio in NYC on the west side in the high 40s or low 50s- don't remember
> exactly.
>
> While patrolling the halls, I saw a long line of Remington 10" reels
> shelved at floor level- maybe 10 feet of them, anyway, a substantial
> number.  I was told they were  being stored there but got no further info.
>
> Dunno how this fits into the time line as to when or if they were seized.
>
> Remington pressings appeared periodically, later labels, as "specials" at
> Record Hunter stores.  I assume the metal masters for these issues and the
> location of these tapes were connected.  Perhaps Jay Sonin can add to this.
>
> Steve Smolian
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Haley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 1:55 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Craft Urania Ballet Mecanique
>
> I spoke to Tom Null (founder of Varese Sarabande) about that several years
> ago, and he was vague about location of the Remington (Don Gabor) master
> tapes but said they could not be accessed anyway as the license to use them
> had expired. However, for the recordings used for those Remington reissues
> by Varese Sarabande (there were about 10 of them), it appears that the old
> Gabor master tapes did survive.  The rest are all lost, seized by the
> government when Remington's successor was arrested, and apparently
> thereafter destroyed.  Beyond that, no details are known about their fate.
>
> Best,
> John Haley
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David Lewis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > "The Origin of Fire" was reissued by Varèse, and I've used a copy of
> > their LP to play in lectures about the Cincinnati Symphony/local
> > recording history before. I'd like a second opinion as the Varèse LP
> > is ticky and I don't recall their releasing it on CD. Their CDs are
> > impossible to obtain at a reasonable price these days, IMHO.
> >
> > Varèse reissued "The Origin of Fire" from a master provided by Don
> > Gabor himself -- I hope that they didn't give it back!
> >
> > David N. Lewis
> > Hamilton, OH
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Wasn't this reissued by Varese?
> > >
> > > Steve Smolian
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Lewis
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:07 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Craft Urania Ballet Mecanique
> > >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > Thank you! That was exactly what I needed to know. I will probably
> > > pick this up, as I really do need a good transfer of "The Origin of
> > > Fire," a landmark in Cincinnati based recording as you know.
> > > There is also this download of the original Urania tape, though as
> > > they can't spell "Hovhaness" I don't suspect I will follow up -- I'm
> > > not
> > really
> > > in the download market anyway.
> > >
> > > http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Soundmark%2BRecords/48094
> > >
> > > The reason I asked is that I participate in a monthly "Vinyl Night"
> > > in Cincinnati and we often memorialize music folk that have passed
> > > in the short term. I figure there will be tons of Bowie at the
> > > upcoming night
> > so I
> > > thought I'd be different and present on Boulez and Craft. Craft's
> > > "Ballet Mécanique" is hardly the crisp and disciplined affair that
> > > the earlier Surinach version for Columbia is, but it's still fun
> > > listening and the airplane sounds defy description. I wanted,
> > > though, to determine that
> > there
> > > was not more of the piece on the tape than there is on the LP.
> > >
> > > For those who might care, a few things about Urania I stumbled upon
> > > in
> > the
> > > course of looking up this question. Apparently the arrangement that
> > > Steve Smolian describes -- combining distribution with Haydn Society
> > > -- only lasted from April-November 1955; on November 12, Billboard
> > > announced the dissolution of their partial merger with "one of the
> > > principals" saying
> > "It
> > > just didn't work out."
> > > That doesn't mean, of course, that they didn't try again later, as
> > > Steve suggests. However, it would've been without their president
> > > and founder Rudolf Koppl, who died October 15, 1956. I wonder how
> > > they managed to
> > hang
> > > on so long; the best known thing about them is the notorious "Urania
> > > Eroica" which Wilhelm Furtwängler sued to suppress in 1954.
> > >
> > > best,
> > >
> > > Uncle Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:15 AM, david gideon <
> > > [log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In response to the question raised earlier, I don’t know if Urania
> > > > ever issued this on reel tape but Omega did. You can see a copy of
> > > > the
> > > tape here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.omegatape.us/stereo2.html#6009 <
> > > > http://www.omegatape.us/stereo2.html#6009>
> > > >
> > > > There is also an mp3 clip posted. Like the LP the Omegatape was
> > > > missing several minutes of music at the beginning. A unique
> > > > feature of this performance was the use of actual airplane sounds
> > > > rather than just the whirring propellors.
> > > >
> > > > ReDiscovery reissued this tape as part of a 20th century CD, one
> > > > of the few titles that is not available as a download (due to the
> > > > prohibitive costs for licensing non-PD music for download; the
> > > > rates are much more reasonable for physical discs). It can be found
> here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.rediscovery.us/compilations.html <
> > > > http://www.rediscovery.us/compilations.html>
> > > >
> > > > dg
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday's music in today's sound.
> > > > http://rediscovery.us
> > > >
> > >
> >
>