Hi Karen –
You ask: in the statement
what is <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/organizations/dnlm> the source of?
It’s a good question.
First, the example is wrong, which may be the cause of some of the confusion.
It should be something like this:
a bf:AdminMetadata ;
a bf:Source ;
rdfs:label “dnlm” ] ;...
And the reason for this is that <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/organizations/dnlm> identifies an organization, but the “source” is supposed to be a list, not an organization. So what we intend to indicate as the source is the list of variant titles at NLM. But there isn’t any URI for that list so the best we can do is provide a label that hopefully will be recognized to indicate the NLM list. “dnlm” is taken from the list at https://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/abbreviated-title.html
So let’s say hypothetically some day this list will be available in RDF; we could then say something like
bf:source < https://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/abbreviated-title/dnlm> .
But as to the question “what is it the source of”. I don’t think I would characterize it as the source of the label. It’s the source of the title, which is a resource.
What we envision ( this is not reality yet) is that someday there actually would be some list and the (hypothetical) https://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/abbreviated-title/dnlm would point you to it, and at that list you could look up “Medical history” and you would get pointed to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nlmcatalog/401052 which would give you a wealth of information about that title.
So you might argue that for this example, it is actually the source of the label, but that’s only because only the label is supplied. The title resource could however be structured, for example :
a bf: VariantTitle ;
rdfs:label “--Ahead of their time : history of the WLSC” ;
bf:mainTitle “--Ahead of their time :” ;
bf:subtitle “history of the WLSC” ;
bf:variantType “spine “ ] .
And it this case, the source (if supplied, and I don’t have a source for this one, examples are hard to find) would be the source of all of the information in this resource.
The identifier example is simpler and more straightforward. Again the example is a bit off, instead of
bf:assigner "United States" ;
it should be …
[ bf:assigner a bf:Assigner ;
rdfs:label "United States" ] ] ;
…. for reasons similar to above: the assigner should be a resource so that a URI may be provided instead of or in addition to the label.
Anyway, in this case, the assigner is an ISSN member country, from the list at
and somewhat similar to the above example this list might someday be available as linked data, providing the means to get more information about the identifier.
Hope this helps some.
From: Bibliographic Framework Transition Initiative Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle
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My dilemma is that I can't understand (as a human, and it may be even more difficult for a machine) what the admin metadata modifies. So, in this example:
a bf:Instance ;
bf:title rdfs:label “Medical history” ;
bf:title [a bf:AbbreviatedTitle ;
rdfs:label “Med Hist” ;
a bf:AdminMetadata ;
bf:source <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/organizations/dnlm>] ] ;...
what is the <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/organizations/dnlm> the source of? I'm guessing it's the source of the value of rdfs:label. Is that the case? If that is the case, then a SKOS-like solution (and analogous to one used frequently in BIBFRAME, e.g. for titles) would be to make the label into a THING that the adminMetadata can address.
Similarly, in the ISSN example:
[ a bf:Issn ;
rdf:value “2168-7633” ;
[ a bf:AdminMetadata ;
bf:assigner "United States" ] ] ;
with the "bf:assigner 'United States'" it is the rdf:value that has an assigned "United States", not the bf:identifiiedBy. This can be expressed in RDF.
My question is: is it always clear what in the graph the adminMetadata refers to? I fear that is not the case, but more use case would be needed to test that out.
On 1/5/16 12:44 PM, Denenberg, Ray wrote:
Hi Tim –Your point is completely valid. We recognize that the solution isn’t perfect but it does serve the desired purpose, to isolate administrative and provenance metadata, even though technically the admin metadata is still a property of the resource, which in a perfect solution, it would not be.
We settled on this approach after examining alternative approaches that would have achieved this secondary objective, for example, reification, and VOID.
We had been advised by a number of RDF experts to avoid reification because it is complex and difficult to implement. We chose not to use VoID for a number of reasons; one, because it seems to be overkill for our purpose, and second, because as far as we can tell it is not a well-accepted nor vetted technology.
We want to move forward with BIBFRAME 2.0 using simple approaches where possible, and we chose this simple approach with the idea that it is a temporary solution to the problem, pending a stable, implementable, and well-adopted solution.
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From: Bibliographic Framework Transition Initiative Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Thompson
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 8:11 PM
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Hello, happy 2016 to all.
I've had a lingering question about the BF 2.0 Admin Metadata proposal. It seems to take a step in the right direction, in that it makes admin metadata easier to isolate, but in the end I don't see how it is conceptually any different from the BF 1.0 approach.
The property bf:adminMetadata is still a property of the description of a resource, not of the resource itself, and as a wise man once wrote, "The same URI cannot identify both a document that describes the resource and the resource itself."
This becomes more apparent when the resource being described is, for example, a person, rather than an abstraction like bf:Instance.
rdfs:label "Rineer, A. Hunter (Amos Hunter), -1985" ;
Wouldn't it be more coherent to recommend that separate URIs be used for RWOs and the documents that describe them, as exemplified by the hash URI above?
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