I guess I would say "catalogers" rather than "users" (without denying that
catalogers are users too). I'm somewhat skeptical, thinking of myself as a
non-cataloging user, that it would naturally occur to me to think of a
meeting as a corporate body. I know that when I attend conferences I
usually don't feel as though I'm participating in a collective unity that
has a coherent identity :-) But I do have to schedule the event on my


On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Hearn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Another way to put this is that users think of some meetings as corporate
> bodies.  Corporate bodies are typically agents. I read Rebecca Guenther's
> comment as more about how users would look for conference proceedings--as
> the product of a named corporate body--than about the catalog card format.
> There is precedence for establishing two entity records for different
> aspects of the "same" thing.  Parks are defined in LCSH as geographic
> entities. Some documents present the park name as an issuing body.  In
> response, parallel authorities are created--the subject authority for the
> park as non-agent and a name authority for the park as agent, e.g.,
> Everglades National Park (Fla.) and Everglades National Park (Agency :
> U.S.).  But my sense has been that this was more about the organizational
> "division of the world" at LC and the differing conventions for access
> points in LCSH and LCNAF than about a conceptual division in the minds of
> users.
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Tim Thompson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Ray, the problem centers on bf:Meeting. The argument being made (I
>> think--others can correct me) is that a meeting/conference is really an
>> Event and should be modeled as such, but that BIBFRAME (following
>> traditions rooted in the conventions of the card catalog) continues to
>> model meetings/conferences as Agents.
>> Tim
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>> Princeton University Library
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>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Ray Denenberg <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 4:58 AM, Meehan, Thomas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> That said, couldn’t Bibframe for example take the view that Event isn’t
>>> an Agent
>>> This thread has gotten long enough that I am having trouble finding
>>> where this idea originated that Event is an Agent.  It isn’t.  I’ve said
>>> that a number of times: Event is not an Agent.  Making Event an Agent has
>>> never been contemplated.
>>> Ray
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