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Stephen, I guess I would say "catalogers" rather than "users" (without denying that catalogers are users too). I'm somewhat skeptical, thinking of myself as a non-cataloging user, that it would naturally occur to me to think of a meeting as a corporate body. I know that when I attend conferences I usually don't feel as though I'm participating in a collective unity that has a coherent identity :-) But I do have to schedule the event on my calendar. Tim On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Hearn <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Another way to put this is that users think of some meetings as corporate > bodies. Corporate bodies are typically agents. I read Rebecca Guenther's > comment as more about how users would look for conference proceedings--as > the product of a named corporate body--than about the catalog card format. > > There is precedence for establishing two entity records for different > aspects of the "same" thing. Parks are defined in LCSH as geographic > entities. Some documents present the park name as an issuing body. In > response, parallel authorities are created--the subject authority for the > park as non-agent and a name authority for the park as agent, e.g., > Everglades National Park (Fla.) and Everglades National Park (Agency : > U.S.). But my sense has been that this was more about the organizational > "division of the world" at LC and the differing conventions for access > points in LCSH and LCNAF than about a conceptual division in the minds of > users. > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Tim Thompson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Ray, the problem centers on bf:Meeting. The argument being made (I >> think--others can correct me) is that a meeting/conference is really an >> Event and should be modeled as such, but that BIBFRAME (following >> traditions rooted in the conventions of the card catalog) continues to >> model meetings/conferences as Agents. >> >> Tim >> >> -- >> Tim A. Thompson >> Metadata Librarian (Spanish/Portuguese Specialty) >> Princeton University Library >> <[log in to unmask]> >> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Ray Denenberg <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 4:58 AM, Meehan, Thomas <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> That said, couldn’t Bibframe for example take the view that Event isn’t >>> an Agent >>> >>> >>> This thread has gotten long enough that I am having trouble finding >>> where this idea originated that Event is an Agent. It isn’t. I’ve said >>> that a number of times: Event is not an Agent. Making Event an Agent has >>> never been contemplated. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist > Data Management & Access, University Libraries > University of Minnesota > 160 Wilson Library > 309 19th Avenue South > Minneapolis, MN 55455 > Ph: 612-625-2328 > Fx: 612-625-3428 > ORCID: 0000-0002-3590-1242 >