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Off on a related tangent, I've often wondered if, after Gennett sold the 
plant to Decca and then Mercury (with maybe a couple of other client 
record companies like Joe Davis and Phillips, who both had records 
pressed there) they all used the same presses as the elephants that 
depended from Gennett. It would explain a number of things if they did, 
including the quality, or lack thereof, of the pressings issued.
Malcolm

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On 2/22/2016 1:36 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
> Hi Eric:
>
> I have no idea why Mercury used the various colored labels. It could 
> have to do with what vinyl compounds were used, or the distribution 
> lists, or something else. I am pretty sure that Mercury's Richmond 
> plant, at least in the early 60's, used a quieter vinyl compound for 
> the broadcast-only pressings. I have plenty of Limelight albums 
> pressed there in the late 60's, with Broadcast Only labels, and the 
> vinyl is awful, so apparently some Philips cost-cutter changed the 
> protocol at some point. The early Richmond Mercury Living Presence 
> cuts, the ones with "RFR" in the deadwax, generally aren't bad. I 
> think a noisier vinyl compound was generally used for Philips USA 
> pressings of the same era. The PHS90000/PH50000 series was cut at Fine 
> Recording, from tapes sent over by Philips, and pressed at Richmond. 
> The USA cover art and liner notes were original to this market, too. 
> At first, after buying Mercury, Philips tried to establish a unique 
> label/brand in the US market. They never put enough money behind it 
> and never had any marketing skill, so it didn't catch fire. They 
> pulled the plug on all of this by the early 70s, consolidating their 
> classical record business in Holland. There is also some overlap in 
> the Mercury and Philips classical catalogs. Mercury made a series of 
> recordings for Philips, all released on the Philips label, in 1961 in 
> England. And, in the SR90400 range, there are some recordings from 
> Philips released under the Mercury Living Presence label here. Mercury 
> producer Harold Lawrence produced recordings for Philips, notably 
> Colin Davis/LSO Handel Messiah. And, from 1965 on, Philips engineers 
> made the Mercury recordings in England, using their own version of the 
> 3-spaced-omni mic technique, which they called "M3."
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Nagamine" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 4:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] A couple of Mercury questions for Tom Fine
>
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Thanks for the link to the Penndorf page. I'd forgotten about his 
>> work on
>> labels.  I found that he does mention that the colored labels were 
>> promo/for
>> broadcast pressings in section 11. It's interesting that there were 
>> various
>> colored promo labels when labels like Columbia generally only had white
>> label promos. I think that RCA had no promo labels only the "for
>> demonstration" stamp on the backs of their jackets. London only had 
>> those
>> round promo stickers on the front of the jacket.  I don't think I've 
>> ever
>> seen EMI or UK Decca promo labels.
>>
>> Thanks to Karl Miller about the Copland 3rd. I guess I need to 
>> purchase the
>> Pristine release of Carnegie Hall performance of BSO/Koussevitzky.
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Eric Nagamine
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Fine
>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 3:00 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] A couple of Mercury questions for Tom Fine
>>
>> Hi Eric:
>>
>> I don't have answers to all your questions, but some info. See below.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Nagamine" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 3:21 AM
>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] A couple of Mercury questions for Tom Fine
>>
>>
>>> Hopefully Tom can answer a couple of questions..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.       I've been sorting through a deceased friend's collection and I
>>> noticed there were many different colored labels in addition to the 
>>> normal
>>> Dark Plum or later Red labels. There's the common white label promo, 
>>> but
>>> I've also found Pink, Green, Yellow and Gold labels in place of the 
>>> normal
>>> plum or red labels on stereo SR series discs. Some say promo and some
>> don't.
>>> Any significance in this? I know some of the early mono Mercuries 
>>> have the
>>> Gold Label and I think so does the Civil War sets, but these are not
>> those.
>>>
>> First of all see this, from the late Ron Pendorf
>> http://ronpenndorf.com/labelography3.html
>> Ron got his information directly from Harold Lawrence, so I assume it's
>> correct. Ron doesn't address
>> the green, pink and yellow labels I have seen from time to time. I 
>> assume
>> they have to do with
>> promotional or other uses. Ping me off-list with some deadwax info on 
>> those
>> records and maybe we can
>> figure out some things. One thing I can tell you  is that the non-glossy
>> sleeves of early issues,
>> even if they have color printing on the back, indicate an inferior 
>> pressing
>> from Mercury's own
>> Richmond IN plant. The best pressings, 1951 through about 1962, were 
>> done at
>> RCA Indianapolis and
>> have an "I" somewhere in the deadwax. What has surprised me is how 
>> bad the
>> Richmond "for broadcast
>> only" white-label pressings are! Those were supposed to be the best 
>> vinyl,
>> for broadcast. The
>> examples I have did not shine a nice light on the quality of Mercury's
>> plant.
>>
>>> 2.       Do you know if the Dorati/Minneapolis Copland 3rd in the most
>>> recent Mercury box has the uncut version of the finale? From what I
>>> understand, every recording from the late 50's on use Leonard 
>>> Bernstein's
>>> cuts from the late 40's, even the 2 Copland led recordings.
>>>
>> I am not familiar enough with the work to know the answer. Here is a 
>> video
>> said to be of that
>> movement:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZruGxBJwwg
>> BY THE WAY -- I can tell you that all the wow and flutter and 
>> distortion you
>> hear in this lousy
>> transfer DON't EXIST in the new CD reissue, thanks to Plangent 
>> Process. The
>> work is available in Box
>> Set 3 and as a 96/24 download from HDTracks. We also got a much more 
>> full
>> sonic spectrum, thanks to
>> Andy Walter at Abbey Road Studios. If there were enough potential 
>> sales, and
>> thus interest from the
>> corporate parent, I'd remaster all the mono recordings the way we did
>> Copland 3rd.
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any light you can shed on this.
>>>
>> You're welcome!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> Eric Nagamine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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