Thanks for that confirmation, Karl. My only recent version is Pletnev's with the Russian National Orch, and it may use the standard cuts, as it runs 16:32 1st mvmnt/50 min tt - assuming that there are by now 'standard' cuts. The coupling is The Rock, which at 13 min. could have fit with a longer version of the symphony.
I assume Copland 3 is rental, but that Rach 2 is in orchestra's libraries. Do those editions include the full score, with cuts notated? If not, there may be extra expense in acquiring other scores and parts to play the full version. That's a factor that could perpetuate the use of cut or edited versions of various works. Or, in the case of Rachmaninoff, the conductor could simply prefer the edited version. It's not just recordings that reach a practical time limit. Depending on the program, the difference between 50+ minutes and 63 minutes (and how many more if the repeat is taken?) is significant for the layout of a concert. Do you drop the overture or plan a short concerto?
And, how necessary is a repeat in such a familiar work; what is its function? I imagine those are questions for which there are differing worthy answers.
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A conductor friend of mine (who has done the work without cuts) who is Previn fan, mentioned that the first Previn recording features cuts. The two subsequent recordings are "complete" but do not feature the repeat in the first movement.
Karl
On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 7:45 AM, Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I don't have Previn's second LSO version. The first movement of Ashkenazy/Concertgebouw is 17:58 - total time 56 min. The notes don't mention the subject of cuts at all. Previn's first recording with LSO (RCA) is tt 50 min. His Telarc version 1st mvmnt 20:23 - tt 63 min. Don't have the CD, so can't consult the notes.
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My copy seems to have disappeared, but according to the internet, EMI Previn times out in the first movement at 19:10. The Wikipaedia Rachmaninoff 2nd webpage only indicates that it is complete. Some how I seem to remember that it was missing the repeat. The Wikipedia page seems to indicate that the first complete recordings with the first movement repeat occur later. (Ashkenazy/Concertgebouw)
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Hope the subject change for the this is appropriate. I don't have the Previn recording. Does he observe the repeat in the first movement? Several do have it with the repeat. I have the Rozhdestvensky which clocks out at 66:13.
Karl (probably splitting hairs)
