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Thanks for the invite, Sam.

The Hayward is from the 2d series and too late anyhow.  Also, I have it here as well.

Your invite sounds like a long DC day for me.  I really need access to  the deepest (in depthest?) version of Lexus/Nexus.  Can this be done at LOC in such way that I can explore it rather than do specific, predetermined searches?  I could then do LOC followed by the SB Archives.  I'd let you know at least a few minutes in advance.  

Steve

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From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sam Brylawski
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 1:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Victor 31000 78s

I just took at look at the DAHR Victor ledgers scans. There certainly may be errors in DAHR but I can confirm that *a lot* of masters were recorded on 2/9/1903.

BTW, the ledgers report that the Florence Hayward "Angel's Serenade" was numbered C-2241.

Sam

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> I have 31364 - Florence Hayward-Angel's Serenade there is a distinct H 
> prefix before serial number. Above mx number with ornate C2247 there 
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Smolian" 
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> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:53 AM
> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Victor 31000 78s
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> I'm researching the early Victor 12" 78s issued in the 31000 series.
>>
>>
>>
>> There were two series of Victor single-sided black label 78s, one 
>> following immediately on the heels of the other.
>>
>>
>>
>> The first  used the "C" prefix for its 12" masters and generated  one 
>> metal
>> part from the wax.   These were recorded in 1902, some maybe in late 1901,
>> and possibly extended through early 1903.
>>
>>
>>
>> The second series used the "C" prefix for its 12" masters and generated
>> three metal parts from the wax.   These were recorded beginning in 1903.
>>
>>
>>
>> Records from each were issued on black-label 12" single-sided discs 
>> in the
>> 31000 series.
>>
>>
>>
>> Victor reused at least some of the matrix numbers and some of the 
>> issue numbers for the second series of unrelated recordings made and 
>> issued in the first series.
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>>
>>
>> Records in the first series, some of which had been available earlier 
>> under numbers in the 1900 and 2000 series, have no tiny letter next 
>> to the 31000 number.  Records in the second series have a tiny letter 
>> under or before the
>> 31000 number.  The letter indicates the stamper number converted to a 
>> letter, i.e., stamper 5 is the letter "E".
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Sherman says the first 150 Victor 12" masters, first series, 
>> were held for up to a year before some  were listed.  Ay idea of the 
>> source of this statement?
>>
>>
>>
>> All records I've inspected in the first series have sunken labels so 
>> no date or other recording data can be found in the label area.  I'm 
>> trying to get a better fix on dates than the two given in DAHR and in 
>> Fagan and  Moran before them than the two paired  ones they give for 
>> far too many records for them to be recorded on the same day. Those 
>> dates are 2/9/03 and 5/26/03.
>> Both may be incorrect, especially the 2d one, as by this time Victor 
>> had converted to the three metal part system.
>>
>> Can anyone shed further light on this first series?  One data source 
>> would be data from test pressings.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fagan and Moran and, subsequently, DAHR, also list the first  series 
>> as having appeared in a November, 1903 catalog as an infirm date.  If 
>> this date is correct, there would have been two records for sale 
>> using the same catalog number with different performers and titles, 
>> based on known issue dates for the second series of "C" prefixed 12" 
>> masters.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope to address this puzzle group in my forthcoming talk at the 
>> ARSC Conference.  Any clarifying data would be most welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Smolian
>>
>>
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