Well said, James!  Perhaps there IS some future global value in the construction of this 'thing'--maybe based on the assumption that everything will be digital (no more physical books, audio, video, etc.)--so this bibliographic 'thing' is not only the catalog, but also the items themselves and anything potentially related to it(?)   Sounds to me more like a Sci-Fi/Horror novel featuring an international conspiracy led by the 'national' libraries and the RGL [Really Gullible Libraries--a.k.a. The Jump-on-the-bus gang].  Pardon the Friday humor.

If there is some practical problem that is being solved by these pursuits, it is certainly not evident to those of us dealing with the realities of serving the public.
IMHO, tax dollars are being frivolously expended.

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On 2/19/2016 10:15 PM, Tennant,Roy wrote:
> You created a plausible outline that I'm afraid is missing a rather large and important step. For the lack of a better term I'll call it "entification," which is what we call it around here.
> I get the sense sometimes that the library community doesn't fully grasp the nature of this transition yet, and it worries me. We need to shake off the shackles of our record-based thinking and think in terms of an interlinked Bibliographic Graph. As long as we keep talking about translating records from one format to another we simply don't understand the meaning of linked data and both the transformative potential it has for our workflows and user interfaces as well as the plain difficult and time consuming work that will be required to get us there.
> Sure, we at OCLC are a long way down a road that should do a lot to help our member libraries make the transition, but there will be plenty of work to go around. The sooner we fully grasp what that work will be, the better off we will all be in this grand transition. No, let's call it what it really is: a bibliographic revolution. Before this is over there will be broken furniture and blood on the floor. But at least we will be free of the tyrant.

I completely agree that the library community doesn't fully grasp the nature of the transition. We are only at the beginning of a "long, strange trip"--and the resources of some libraries (and librarians
themselves!) are almost exhausted already.

All of this in the pursuit of a highly abstract goal: an interlinked bibliographic graph. I haven't come across that term before, but I guess it is a take on the "Giant Global Graph" of Tim Berners-Lee that many people consider to be the ultimate goal of linked data. To achieve this goal of an interlinked bibliographic graph, we see that much will have to be sacrificed, but the revolution will be worthwhile because we will be free of the "tyrant". Once again, I am not sure precisely what you mean here, but I assume the tyrant is the MARC record, which is a "unified bibliographic record" that contains all of the information for a bibliographic item.  (I prefer to call it the "unit record" or the traditional catalog card, which was made to deal with the 19th-century transition from the earlier book catalogs, which were structured quite

The unified bibliographic record found in MARC must undergo "entification," which again, I assume means to turn as much as possible of the current, unified bibliographic record into entities, i.e. URIs, that in turn can be linked to--by anyone, I guess. (that is, if it is to be linked OPEN data. Linked closed data is an entirely different matter) In any case, if all this is done, I completely agree that the data that is now in our bibliographic records will become almost infinitely flexible.

There are a few questions of course. Chief among them, the obvious one:

1) Is this what libraries signed up for? What will be the final costs in terms of budgets, careers, redoing so much yet again? And how long will it take?

2) It remains to be seen whether any of this is what the public wants. I guess I'm just an old-fashioned kind of guy, or maybe just naive, but it seems to me that when people come to a library (either virtually or
physically) they come to use the items in the collection, and not to use the catalog. In other words, people do not come to a library, or the library's website, just to look up something in the catalog and then.... 
go home. They use the catalog to get into the materials in the library's collection. If they already know what they want and where it is, they ignore the catalog. (Maybe they shouldn't but they do)

The best catalogs are those that I can use as quickly and as easily as possible so that I can spend the least amount of time with the catalog and spend the most amount of time in the items I find in the collection. 
This is why I personally prefer Google. It is not that I spend a great deal of time on Google, but paradoxically, I spend the *least* amount of time there compared to the other search engines. That's why I prefer it.

So, even if we make the "100% entified, interlinked bibliographic graph tool" that brings in information from hither and yon, that gives me charts from the IMF and images from Flickr, videos from YouTube, the latest news from Bing, plus of course, all the Wikipedia info, along with the library materials--and I'll assume here that it will even be on the specific topics I want, that might be great. Pardon my skepticism: I think lots of people would still like to see it in action before concluding that it really is great.

It may be that the idea is to get rid of or replace the catalog completely, but I think the public will continue to demand a quick and easy-to-use list to get into the materials in a library's collection. 
The proposed linked data tools do not provide this but only adds complexity to the catalog by adding more and more stuff into a search result. It seems to me that we can entify things until Doomsday and it still won't make it one bit easier for the public to find materials in library collections.

The problem is: our catalogs have never been easy-to-use, and they blew out even worse when they went online with keyword. There are tons of problems and those issues have yet to be addressed. But just because the public doesn't like to use library catalogs doesn't mean that they do not want a "listing of materials" in the collection they are using. And that list should be made as simple to use as possible. Such a listing is also called a catalog. A lot could be done to make it easier to use than it is today. But nobody seems to be talking about that.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the public doesn't want an easy-to-use listing of materials in a library's collection. Like I said, maybe I'm just an old-fashioned kind of guy, or just naive.

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