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Pete,

When I took the series training class at LC long ago, there was also another category mentioned, that of simultaneous publications.  The titles themselves didn't have to say explicitly that they were being published simultaneously.  But if you ran up on a case where the same titles were published mostly in the same year by two publishers - usually one in London and one in New York! - you assumed the relationship.  In those cases we were supposed to establish two different SARs, ideally qualifying both.

So, please do share your decision after talking with Robert Maxwell.  

Thanks!

Jenifer

Jenifer K. Marquardt
Asst. Head of Cataloging & Authorities Librarian
University of Georgia
Athens, GA 30602-1641

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Thanks, Jennifer.

 The "case 4" that you quote below may be similar to mine, assuming that William and Mary's large-print volumes of Colonial statesmen are published immediately on the heels of the original editions.   That is the case with the Haymarket editions of Brill's series--they are usually published in the same year or one year later.

I find the hypothetical authority record shown in case 4 a little confusing.  I gather that it is supposed to be a new authority record for the William and Mary large-print editions, but the AAP would presumably need a qualifier to distinguish it from the series of the original editions.  Still, I believe the intent is that you do need a new authority record for the series that relates to the large-print editions.

My instincts tell me that my case is similar, unless it is in fact the change in format that clinches the need for a new series authority.  I'm rather inclined to see the Haymarket editions of the Historical Materialism Book Series as belonging to a different series--Historical materialism book series (Chicago, Ill.), which is numbered/unnumbered.

Since, however, advice from three other people is to stick with one series and one series authority, I am disinclined to create a new NACO authority record.  I'm going to respond to Robert Maxwell further on this.

Pete Wilson
Vanderbilt University



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Good morning!

You could check out the series training materials.  The section on treatment decisions

http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/courses/naco-full%20series-RDA/Session%205.pdf

covers republications starting on page 11.  I often find that the case I have in hand doesn't fit exactly into one of the categories given, but this is where I always start.  I believe that case number 4 is the one that answers your question about the number of SARs to create

Here is the republication related text & examples from the link above - number 4 is the last category

Republications

In the context of series work, republications are manifestations published later, usually by a different publisher, in the same or different physical medium:
microfiche
reprint (= photo-offset reprint)
digitized
large print
braille

There are at least four possible situations where series are involved in republications.

1. We can have a series of republished volumes in the sense that the later publisher has gathered works that were published previously, to create a new series. In this case the series work is not different from what has already been covered, except for instances when we note the nature of the medium in several fields of the series authority record.

130 Neighborhood churches of Chicago
643 Chicago ǂb Barnes Microforms Co. ǂd microfiche
644 f ǂ5 InU microfiche
645 t ǂ5 DPCC ǂ5 InU microfiche
646 s ǂ5 InU microfiche
670 Microfiche/St. Joseph’s of Cicero, 1997: ǂb added t.p. (Neighborhood churches of
Chicago)

2. The series may have been on the work as originally published. The republished volume must display the original series statement, which will be in a bibliographic history note (RDA 27.1.1.3):

in bibliographic record:

260 New York : ǂb Harper & Row, ǂc 2006.
500 Reprint of: Venice / by Cecil Roth. – Philadelphia : The Jewish Publication Society of America, 1930. – (Jewish communities series ; v. 3)
830 Jewish communities series ; ǂv v. 3.

In most cases, the later publisher reissues only one or a few volumes of the series -- a volume on subject matter that is again topical, or a volume on a subject whose anniversary is being commemorated. For this reason we usually do not create a distinct access point and separate authority record; instead we have an access point and an authority record for both the original and any republication(s), to avoid creating an authority record if it is needed for only one or two bibliographic records. The access point and the authority record reflect the original publication.

in authority record:

130 Jewish communities series
642 v. 3 ǂ5 DPCC ǂ5 InU
643 Philadelphia ǂb The Jewish Publication Society of America

3. A republication may carry two series statements, one from the original manifestation and one from the republication. This case then represents a combination of our first two scenarios and will have two series access points in the bibliographic record. The bibliographic record will reflect both series and the cataloger must be careful not to confuse the two.

245 Golf greens and green-keeping
260 Chelsea, MI : ǂb Ann Arbor Press, ǂc 2001.
490 Classics of golf course maintenance and construction
500 Reprint of: Golf greens and green-keeping -- London : Country Life, 1906. – (The “Country Life” library of sport)
830 Classics of golf course maintenance and construction.
830 “Country Life” library of sport.

And there will be two authority records, of course.

4. Occasionally it is clear that a later publisher is reissuing all the volumes of an earlier series, in another format, for example. In this case, for the volumes of the reprint series we create a series access point and authority record that reflect the later manifestation.
Various fields also reflect the format of the republication.

The 643 field gives the later publisher’s place and name, with a ǂd that specifies the republication format. This avoids misidentification with the place and publisher of the original.

The 670 field for the republished work begins with the republication format, followed by a back-slash. This avoids misidentification with the time period of the original.
The treatment fields include a format term in the library’s ǂ5.

in authority record:

130 Colonial statesmen
642 no. 1 ǂ5 DPCC large-print ǂ5 large-print
643 Williamsburg, VA ǂb College of William and Mary ǂd large-print
644 f ǂ5 large-print
645 t ǂ5 DPCC large-print ǂ5 large-print
646 s ǂ5 large-print
670 Large-print/A closer look at Patrick Henry, 2002: ǂb t.p. (Colonial statesmen)
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in bibliographic record:
260 Williamsburg, VA : ǂb College of William and Mary, ǂc 2002.
500 Reprint of: A closer look at Patrick Henry. – Boston : Patriot Press, 1897. – (Colonial statesmen ; no. 1)
830 Colonial statesmen ; ǂv no. 1.

If and when another type of republication of the same series needs to be cataloged, do not create a further series access point nor an additional authority record. Add appropriate treatment information to the 644, 645 and 646 fields in subfields, but don’t add a further
643 or 670 field.

edited authority record:

130 Colonial statesmen
642 no. 1 ǂ5 DPCC large-print ǂ5 DPCC microfiche ǂ5 large-print ǂ5 microfiche
643 Williamsburg, VA ǂb College of William and Mary ǂd large-print
644 f ǂ5 large-print ǂ5 microfiche
645 t ǂ5 DPCC large-print ǂ5 DPCC microfiche ǂ5 large-print ǂ5 microfiche
646 s ǂ5 DLC large-print ǂ5 DLC microfiche
670 Large-print/A closer look at Patrick Henry, 2002: ǂb t.p. (Colonial statesmen)

Exception to point #4: In the case of reissued resources that are sound recordings or moving image material, we consider that these are further editions, rather than republications. Separate series authorized access points and separate authority records are made.

Jenifer

Jenifer K. Marquardt
Asst. Head of Cataloging & Authorities Librarian University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602-1641

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I agree with what Amy says (and also her pragmatic approach.) I have my doubts that a user would care all that much who the series publisher is. If you feel uncomfortable supplying a volume number based on the volume numbering of the original, you could explain it in a note.

Benjamin Abrahamse
Cataloging Coordinator
Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement
MIT Libraries
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I am going to answer from a practical viewpoint, without digging around in the rules.  I believe that it would be most useful to users to supply the numbering in the cases that Haymarket omits it, and to use one authority record for both publishers. This would allow a user looking for number x of the series to find either edition quickly.

Amy Turner
Duke University

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Hello wise ones,

I am going to ask people on this list a question that I would previously have addressed to my great Vanderbilt colleague Ann Ercelawn, who has, sadly (for me), retired.  She knew more about series than me and when she didn’t know the answer she knew the right people to ask.

Brill publishes a series called Historical materialism book series, for which authority record n 2002096283 was made.  It is a numbered series.  However, Haymarket Books in Chicago has republished many books in this series in paperback, using the same series statement.  The Haymarket editions do not always have numbering, however—my first impression is that early on they may have used the same number as Brill at least sometimes, but that the volumes have been unnumbered for quite some time.  There are a couple of PCC records for Haymarket editions in which the cataloger bracketed in a series number taken from the Brill website (there is an explicit note to that effect).

Haymarket has been doing this since 2005.  Shouldn’t there be a separate authority record for the Haymarket series?  There is not; nor is there an additional 643 on the Brill authority record for Chicago and Haymarket.  The numbering fixed field is set at “c” on the Brill authority, however, perhaps because of the lack of numbering on Haymarket editions.

Thanks for any help you can give!

Pete Wilson
Vanderbilt University