If you were cataloging the series as a serial, yes, you would have two different bibliographical records, because they are different manifestations (different publishers, different sizes, paperback vs. hardback (although we don't bother to make that distinction even though in FRBR terms they are different manifestaitons), etc.). But the two manifestations would still represent the same work, much the same as two different manifestations of Hamlet represent the same work and get the same work access point. There would not be a need for different series work access points, since it's the same work. This is different from what we did in AACR2. We don't add (Online) to a series access point to distinguish it from the print series manifestation either. Different manifestations do not make a new work. The content has to be different. Now if they Haymarket manifestation had different content from the earlier manifestations of the series, then you have to decide if what you have is a different expression of the series or an entirely new series work. As far as we've been told, the content is the same, so regardless that there may or may not be numbering, this is just one series and the series access points on both manifestations would be the same. This isn't being pedantic. It's following RDA. Adam Schiff ________________________________ From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Kevin M Randall <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 11:53 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Series title from two publishers, one numbered, other unnumbered Well yes, of course different manifestations require different records. But that has nothing to do with identifying the works. Kevin From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Gordon Marr Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 1:47 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Series title from two publishers, one numbered, other unnumbered The differences described come principally from OCLC's "When to create a new record" (which seems to apply to "manifestations" rather than "works"?) John G. Marr DACS Zimmerman Library University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87010 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> **"I really like to know the reasons for what I do!"** Martha Watson Opinions belong exclusively to the individuals expressing them, but sharing is permitted. From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:40 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Series title from two publishers, one numbered, other unnumbered The question is: Are these two different works, or are they two different manifestations? I haven't seen any arguments that would convince me these are different works, but as far as I can tell no one has tried to argue that they are not different manifestations. The differences described in the post below are manifestation-related, not work-related. Of course such things should be in the descriptions in order to distinguish the Haymarket volumes from the Brill volumes. But RDA does not have provision for constructing AAPs for manifestations. We assign the AAP for the work/expression, not for the manifestation. There may be cases where a manifestation element is used in the AAP in order to distinguish a works/expression (e.g., publisher or place of publication of the first manifestation), but that is because there is no other suitable distinguishing element to use. That does not change the fact that the AAP pertains to the work/expression, not the manifestation. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Libraries Northwestern University www.library.northwestern.edu<http://www.library.northwestern.edu> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 847.491.2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!