John, Not to be pedantic, but "res" is also a word in Spanish and can mean cattle (as in "carne de res" = "beef"). I appreciate the particular problem that using "persona" might cause here, but clarity and context should help address the potential confusion. Tim -- Tim A. Thompson Metadata Librarian (Spanish/Portuguese Specialty) Princeton University Library 693 Alexander Road, 2nd Floor Princeton, New Jersey 08540 (609) 258-2597 (office) (201) 423-9972 (mobile) www.linkedin.com/in/timathompson [log in to unmask] ________________________________________ From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of John Hostage [[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 2:17 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Excessive simplification / was: FRBR-LRM: "agent" as an entity Authors of IFLA documents try to be conscious of translation issues, and the question of using "persona" has come up in the past. "Persona" is a word in Spanish and Italian meaning person, and apparently it can also mean persona in Spanish, but especially for non-native speakers reading the English document, it could be confusing. ------------------------------------------ John Hostage Senior Continuing Resources Cataloger Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Harvard Law School Library Cambridge, MA 02138 [log in to unmask] +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) ISNI 0000 0000 4028 0917 -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Benjamin A Abrahamse Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 13:32 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Excessive simplification / was: FRBR-LRM: "agent" as an entity "Persona" (Latin for "mask") would be in keeping with other terms borrowed from Latin to be used in the model, like "res" and "nomen". (And come to think of it why not go whole hog: opus, dictum, manifestationem, tomus?) --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:16 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Excessive simplification / was: FRBR-LRM: "agent" as an entity Steve McDonald wrote: > Would you feel better if the Agent entity were named something else, > like Potential Agents? As currently defined in the draft, Agent is > not just things that are acting as agents. It is defined as all > things that _can_ act as agents. Just because something is identified > in the model as an Agent does not mean that it has ever acted as a > creator. I think what you are feeling is a reaction to the name of the entity rather than the definition. > That's the problem with names of concepts, sometimes. "Potential Agent" may still be inaccurate, and is still defining the entity in terms of an action or relationship, not what it actually is. I think a better term would be "Persona". That term is rather widely understood, is not inherently limited to human beings, and says nothing about agency. Many uses of the entities in this class would have nothing at all to do with agency, so whether or not something can act as an agent is irrelevant. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Libraries Northwestern University www.library.northwestern.edu [log in to unmask] 847.491.2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!