I agree with Amy Turner and Kevin Randall.  Requiring every name in a bibliographic catalog to be uniquely formulated is overreaching; but requiring every name in the NAF to represent an identified person is central to the purpose of an authority file.  


On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Kevin M Randall <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Ted, are you saying that creating a unique string for an individual entity might be "trying to do too much in the NAF"?  If so, I'd say that is the opposite direction we've always been trying to move.  Or has it been decided that Cutter's object to "show what the library has by a given author" doesn't apply anymore?  (Well, according to most of the "discovery" interfaces being foisted upon us nowadays, much of Cutter is essentially thrown out the window, with serendipity being the primary means of discovery...)


Until we are able to use identifiers (such as authority record IDs, whatever) to bring the authority and bibliographic metadata together for the user, unique AAPs are absolutely required to meet the user's needs with even the most minimal efficiency.


Kevin M. Randall

Principal Serials Cataloger

Northwestern University Libraries

Northwestern University


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Yes, this epitomizes the problem I brought out with non-date qualifiers for current people, impermanence.


I appreciate the point Paul Burley made about production pressures. I think that point is probably an undercurrent of a lot of other objections that have been raised to spending too much time trying to get headings right. (I am using “right” as meaning not just following the rules, but maximally appropriate for identifying the person.) I wonder if this problem is also a result of the decision to create all “differentiated” headings. As Ben kind of hinted, if Jenny Barrett authored “An exploration and critique of the use of mental health information within refugee status determination proceedings in the United Kingdom,” her name is already effectively “differentiated” by the 245 even if the 100 is only Barrett, Jenny. If libraries, especially PCC libraries, didn’t have pressure to create controlled access points for all authors, this is a problem we just wouldn’t have until some confusion about her identity came up. Then we could call her to get her dates or, if she refused them or had already passed away, we could add an appropriate qualifying phrase. By that time, we might have more evidence about what phrase is appropriate than we have now.


Could we be trying to do too much in the NAF?


Ted Gemberling   

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