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The concern here, however, is that it looks like there are two separate
authors, whereas there's really only one.

The way that the Getty Vocabularies deal with this is to turn the name into
a resource with a value, one or more sources, and other information about
its use.

Rob

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Denenberg, Ray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Jane - sorry I didn't completely think through that last response.
>
> You could say:
>
>       bf:agent              <URI for lcnaf:n81139185>  ;
>       bf:agent                <URI for wd:Q435902> .
> <URI for lcnaf:n81139185>     rdfs:label       "Allen, Paula Gunn"  .
> <URI for wd:Q435902>           rdfs:label       "Paula Gunn Allen, Native
> American writer"  .
>
> This would associate each URI with the correct label.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bibliographic Framework Transition Initiative Forum
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Denenberg, Ray
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 2:52 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [BIBFRAME] Name authorities in BIBFRAME?
> >
> > Jane - yes, in your example ...
> >
> >     rdfs:label "Allen, Paula Gunn" ;
> >     rdfs:label "Paula Gunn Allen, Native American writer" ;
> >     bf:agent lcnaf:n81139185 ;
> >     bf:agent wd:Q435902 .
> >
> > ... where there are two labels and two links supplied you cannot readily
> > associated a label with the link that it corresponds to.  If you need to
> associate
> > them, you would have to follow the links.  (Or just one link; if you
> associate one
> > label with one of the links you can probably assume that the other label
> is
> > associated with the other link.)
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bibliographic Framework Transition Initiative Forum
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane Sandberg
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:41 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [BIBFRAME] Name authorities in BIBFRAME?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your helpful response, Ray!
> > >
> > > What happens if two authority sources offer different labels for a
> > > person?  For example, in the following example, LCNAF refers to a
> > > person as "Allen, Paula Gunn", while wikidata refers to her as "Paula
> > > Gunn Allen, Native American writer".  However, it's impossible to tell
> > > which name authority provided which label.
> > >
> > > Is there a cool way to do this?  Or have BIBFRAME designers decided
> > > that this it is not important to preserve these data?  Granted, I
> > > can't necessarily think of a specific use case for recording the
> > > providers of specific authorized labels, but it just seems like
> > > something that'd be nice to have (and something that MARC includes in
> the
> > second indicator or $2 of many fields, such as the 600 field).
> > >
> > > @prefix bf: <http://bibframe.org/vocab/> @prefix lcnaf:
> > > <http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/>
> > > @prefix rel: <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/relators/>
> > > @prefix wd: <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/>
> > >
> > > _:article a bf:Work;
> > >     bf:contributor _:author .
> > >
> > > _:author a bf:Contribution;
> > >     bf:role rel:aut ;
> > >     rdfs:label "Allen, Paula Gunn" ;
> > >     rdfs:label "Paula Gunn Allen, Native American writer" ;
> > >     bf:agent lcnaf:n81139185 ;
> > >     bf:agent wd:Q435902 .
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Ray Denenberg
> > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Jane -
> > > >
> > > > bf:authorityAssigner from 1.0 is generalized in 2.0. to bf:assigner.
> > > >
> > > > referenceAuthority.  Yes, in 1.0 the idea was to be able to
> > > > designate a principal authority and to distinguish it from one or
> > > > more secondary authorities.  In 2.0 the concept of a principal is
> discarded.
> > > > Instead, you can supply multiple agents within a single contribution.
> > > > (The obvious question is, if you supply two agents for, let’s say
> > > > author, how do you know whether there are two authors or if they are
> > > > just different authorities for the same author.  The answer is, if
> > > > there are two authors, supply separate contributions.)
> > > >
> > > > Ray
> > > >
> > > >> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jane Sandberg <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi everyone,
> > > >>
> > > >> BF1.0 included two properties that don't exist in 2.0 that I am
> > > >> curious about.  bf:authorityAssigner was a rdf:Property that
> > > >> connected a bf:Authority to the bf:Agent who had done the work of
> > > >> assigning that authority.  bf:referenceAuthority was a rdf:Property
> > > >> that connected a bf:Authority to some other information about the
> > > >> authority -- my understanding was that this refers to some
> > > >> secondary
> > > authority.
> > > >>
> > > >> So as I wrap my mind around BF 2.0, I am trying to put together an
> > > >> example that expresses the following:
> > > >> 1) That an author of an article is represented in both LCNAF and
> ISNI.
> > > >> 2) That I used an author's homepage as a reference to verify the
> match.
> > > >> 3) That the authority matching work was done by Linn-Benton
> > > >> Community
> > > College.
> > > >>
> > > >> How would I do this in BF 2.0?  I took a bit of a stab at this
> below.
> > > >>
> > > >> Appreciatively,
> > > >>
> > > >>  -Jane
> > > >>
> > > >> @prefix bf: <http://bibframe.org/vocab/> @prefix isni:
> > > >> <http://isni.org/isni/> @prefix lcnaf:
> > > >> <http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/>
> > > >> @prefix rel: <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/relators/>
> > > >>
> > > >> _:article a bf:Work;
> > > >>    bf:contributor _:author .
> > > >>
> > > >> _:author a bf:Contribution;
> > > >>    bf:role rel:aut ;
> > > >>    bf:agent lcnaf:no2013089082 .
> > > >>
> > > >> lcnaf:no2013089082 rdfs:label "Lilley, Spencer, 1963-" ;
> > > >>    owl:sameAs isni:0000000418419694 ;
> > > >>    foaf:homepage
> > > >> <http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=334330>
> .
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Jane Sandberg
> > > >> Electronic Resources Librarian
> > > >> Linn-Benton Community College
> > > >> [log in to unmask] / 541-917-4655
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jane Sandberg
> > > Electronic Resources Librarian
> > > Linn-Benton Community College
> > > [log in to unmask] / 541-917-4655
>



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Rob Sanderson
Semantic Architect
The Getty Trust
Los Angeles, CA 90049