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for some LP releases, in addition to sound, the packaging is superior to CD reissue - large legible notes, cover art, texts/translations Thomas.


second time trying to post this - a lot of you STILL have not corrected the reply address problem, so rather
than being posted to the ARSCLIST, the response goes to the sender of the message replied to.

Thomas.


-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Stamler
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:13 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Please give me reasons to keep Classical vinyl!!!!!

I guess the first real question is: who has the collection, and what's it used for?

The second is: are there any unique items in the collection, not obtainable on CD?

Peace,
Paul

On 8/26/2016 3:32 PM, Barton, Matthew wrote:
> What are the circumstances here? The argument about CDs versus vinyl may be beside the point, as the best argument for keeping the vinyl might be a financial one. For example, if a music school had a large classical vinyl collection and didn't mind that it took up a lot space and was willing to maintain a good listening station or two, then it would still be a valuable resource for students. The cost of buying thousands of CDs to replace the vinyl would be prohibitive and unnecessary, as the LPs are already available and are adequate for study purposes, whatever one thinks of analog vs. digital.
>
>
> Matthew Barton
> Library of Congress
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Clark Johnsen
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:46 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Please give me reasons to keep Classical vinyl!!!!!
>
> To David Burnham:
>
> A nay and a yay:
>
> *  This "ambience" is nothing more than the sound of stylus against 
> groove walls - it has nothing to do with the original recording.  I 
> have no doubt that these enthusiasts would prefer the sound of an LP 
> to the sound of the master tape from which it was made.*
>
> Beg to differ with both parts. The first is a mere assertion, the second is simply untrue.
>
> * Many if not most 78s from the pre-tape era are also direct to disc 
> recordings so if you have a good copy and good equipment to play it 
> on, a
> 78 will give better reproduction than any subsequent mastering 
> efforts.*
>
> Quite right!
>
> Clark
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:39 PM, DAVID BURNHAM <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I think the question comes down to do you want reasons to keep 
>> CLASSICAL vinyl, as opposed to other genres on vinyl or reasons to 
>> keep classical VINYL as opposed to CDs or whatever.  As all 
>> collectors know, there are those who worship vinyl as a medium and 
>> feel that it is so superior to other media, and those who think those 
>> collectors should belong to the flat earth society of audio.  Vinyl 
>> DOES have its advantages, mainly that the highest frequency harmonic 
>> content is more accurately reproduced than on CDs; this is because 
>> the highest frequency harmonic content is so low in level compared to 
>> the main body of the audio signal and therefore there are very few 
>> bits available to accurately reproduce it.  It is in this area that SACDs are so superior.  Many vinyl enthusiasts love the "ambience"
>> around the music that is missing on CDs.  This "ambience" is nothing 
>> more than the sound of stylus against groove walls - it has nothing 
>> to do with the original recording.  I have no doubt that these 
>> enthusiasts would prefer the sound of an LP to the sound of the 
>> master tape from which it was made.
>> As opposed to many 78s, the main characteristic of LPs that lowers 
>> their status as a medium is that, aside from the few direct to disc 
>> recordings that have come out, they are all two or more generations 
>> removed from the master recording and it is that master that, as long 
>> as it's preserved, will keep the recordings alive.  Many if not most 
>> 78s from the pre-tape era are also direct to disc recordings so if 
>> you have a good copy and good equipment to play it on, a 78 will give 
>> better reproduction than any subsequent mastering efforts.
>> db
>>
>>     On Friday, August 26, 2016 11:22 AM, Benjamin Roth <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Greetings everyone.
>>
>> I need some help in convincing someone to keep a collection of 
>> classical vinyl.
>>
>> ASAP!!!  Please!
>> Ben Roth
>> '
>>
>>
>>
>>