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Well that and surface noise. db Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 31, 2016, at 9:33 PM, Ellis Burman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Maybe "warm ambience" = turntable rumble? > > Ellis > >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:02 PM, DAVID BURNHAM <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hi Clark et al >> Thank you for your response! I hope you're still in the vicinity to hear >> my response, (I've been away from the internet for a few days). >> I also have to disagree on both counts, my first statement is NOT a mere >> assertion, (see below), and the second IS true. I don't know what your >> background is, I worked for CBC radio music for almost 40 years. During >> that time I had many vinyl enthusiasts declaring that vinyl was superior to >> CD for the reasons expressed previously; so I undertook an experiment - a >> blind test, (not double blind since I obviously knew what they were >> listening to). I was in a CBC studio and had a few vinyl enthusiasts to >> listen to comparisons. Unknown to them, I WASN'T comparing LPs to CDs, but >> LPs to their master tapes; since these were my own recordings I had access >> to the master analog tapes. The material I used included a Beethoven >> String Quartet, a Mozart Wind Serenade, a Choral work and a World famous >> soprano soloist. In the case of the last example, a concert was recorded >> and subsequently, permission was received to release it on LP. So in this >> case, the original first generation master tape was recorded at 7 1/2 ips. >> When we mastered it for LP, I dubbed that tape to a 15 ips tape for editing >> and mastering. For the comparison, I used this 15 ips tape, not the >> original 7 1/2 ips master. As you can probably guess, the candidates >> INVARIABLY chose the LP which had audible surface noise as sounding >> superior to what they thought was a CD but was in fact the master analog >> tape. In one case, one of the "victims" said, "You can hear the warm >> ambience as soon as the stylus touches the disc." >> >> I rest my case - at least until someone chooses to argue it. >> Regards!db >> >> On Friday, August 26, 2016 3:48 PM, Clark Johnsen < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> To David Burnham: >> >> A nay and a yay: >> >> * This "ambience" is nothing more than the sound of stylus against groove >> walls - it has nothing to do with the original recording. I have no doubt >> that these enthusiasts would prefer the sound of an LP to the sound of the >> master tape from which it was made.* >> >> Beg to differ with both parts. The first is a mere assertion, the second is >> simply untrue. >> >> * Many if not most 78s from the pre-tape era are also direct to disc >> recordings so if you have a good copy and good equipment to play it on, a >> 78 will give better reproduction than any subsequent mastering efforts.* >> >> Quite right! >> >> Clark >> >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:39 PM, DAVID BURNHAM <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> I think the question comes down to do you want reasons to keep CLASSICAL >>> vinyl, as opposed to other genres on vinyl or reasons to keep classical >>> VINYL as opposed to CDs or whatever. As all collectors know, there are >>> those who worship vinyl as a medium and feel that it is so superior to >>> other media, and those who think those collectors should belong to the >> flat >>> earth society of audio. Vinyl DOES have its advantages, mainly that the >>> highest frequency harmonic content is more accurately reproduced than on >>> CDs; this is because the highest frequency harmonic content is so low in >>> level compared to the main body of the audio signal and therefore there >> are >>> very few bits available to accurately reproduce it. It is in this area >>> that SACDs are so superior. Many vinyl enthusiasts love the "ambience" >>> around the music that is missing on CDs. This "ambience" is nothing more >>> than the sound of stylus against groove walls - it has nothing to do with >>> the original recording. I have no doubt that these enthusiasts would >>> prefer the sound of an LP to the sound of the master tape from which it >> was >>> made. >>> As opposed to many 78s, the main characteristic of LPs that lowers their >>> status as a medium is that, aside from the few direct to disc recordings >>> that have come out, they are all two or more generations removed from the >>> master recording and it is that master that, as long as it's preserved, >>> will keep the recordings alive. Many if not most 78s from the pre-tape >> era >>> are also direct to disc recordings so if you have a good copy and good >>> equipment to play it on, a 78 will give better reproduction than any >>> subsequent mastering efforts. >>> db >>> >>> On Friday, August 26, 2016 11:22 AM, Benjamin Roth <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Greetings everyone. >>> >>> I need some help in convincing someone to keep a collection of classical >>> vinyl. >>> >>> ASAP!!! Please! >>> Ben Roth >>> ' > > > -- > Ellis > [log in to unmask] > 818-846-5525