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I was in Group 1 [of 3] when Yale catalogers received NACO training in the mid-90s; this group was trained by Ana. She called it “the ’Bud’ rule.” Later, whenever I wanted to retrieve that LCRI, I just searched on “bud.”

Something to keep in mind as we catalogers grapple with this particular situation is that we deal primarily with printed matter, and our guiding principle in constructing AAPs is how a name is represented in print.


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Stephen hit the nail on the head for why we didn’t bring forward that old LCRI; while it was clear that the nicknames often represented a variant form (my colleague Ana Cristan could cite the “Bud Schulman rule” by heart), we had many cases from the catalogers working with our American Folklife Center collections where the ‘nickname’ was *always* recorded with the given name, and staff confirmed with the creators  (usually musicians) that they considered both  parts to be their given name and they never used their nickname alone.  As Stephen says, names have such variety.

Dave Reser
LC PSD



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What about a name like bassist Donald "Duck" Dunn, where the nickname appears to have a sequential association with the given name? I agree that the quotes around the nickname in the Dunn cases signifies that "Duck" is something other than a given middle name, but I'm not sure that rules out "Dunn, Donald "Duck" ..." as a useful VAP if supported by usage evidence.

Names have such variety, I'm not sure what possibilities I'd want ruled out in a policy statement focused on this kind of usage.

Stephen

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Prochazka,David <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Some guidance in the form of an LC-PCC PS would certainly be helpful.

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RDA doesn’t say what to do, but it’s pretty clear that in the two AAPs you cited that “Skip” and “Slim” are not middle names.  I just don’t think that the person’s intention is to treat those nicknames as middle names.  They are variant first names.  I would have treated them as such:

Miller, William
UF Miller, Skip

Pickens, Ryan, 1972-
UF Pickens, Slim, 1972-

I think we should bring back the LCRI that didn’t get moved into the LC-PCC PSs.

Adam Schiff

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I’d follow the pattern used in these RDA AAPs:
Miller, William “Skip”
Pickens, Ryan “Slim”, 1972-

I don’t see anything in RDA that says to ‘deconstruct’ the elements of a personal name and prefer some elements more than others.

Of  course, ant variety of VAPs might be added.

David—

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That's what I would do.

Adam
Adam L. Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
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Seattle, WA 98195-2900

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I can't find any guidance for dealing with a name that appears in source as, in this instance,  XJ 'George' Bailey.  Perhaps Bailey, XJ with a 400 for Bailey, George?

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