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I was just referring to early reflections (1st reflections off of objects and walls) vs. reverb (which is audible as a longer tail). Ellis On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Pete Tinker <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Forgive my ignorance, Ellis. What is the difference between "reflection" > and "reverb?" Natural vs artificial? Single reflection vs total of all > reflections? > > > > On 10/26/2016 3:41 PM, Ellis Burman wrote: > >> The usage Corey refers to is for "room tone" to be recorded, because the >> location is never completely silent, and that room tone audio can be used >> in post under ADR, or to fill gaps in production sound edits. Ambience >> has >> a different meaning in the film world than say, in the music world, where >> is often is used to describe the "liveliness" of a location. >> >> Good location sound recordists do, in addition to recording room tone, >> also >> record an impulse, that can then be used in post as Pete alluded to. The >> impulse can then be loaded into a convolution processor to re-create the >> sound (reflections, reverb) of the set for mixing ADR or added Foley. >> >> Ellis >> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Pete Tinker <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Corey, wouldn't you require a test sound to be recorded on the "silent" >>> set? I can't see a way to get useful information in the absence of >>> recording actual reflections of a known sound. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/26/2016 12:35 PM, Corey Bailey wrote: >>> >>> Merriam-Webster defines "Ambience" as: >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> >>>> : a feeling or mood associated with a particular place, person, >>>> or thing : atmosphere >>>> <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atmosphere> >>>> >>>> >>>> In the production side of the film/TV industry, the location mixer will >>>> often ask for "Quiet on the Set" so the room tone (ambience or part of >>>> atmospheres collection) can be recorded to be later used in post >>>> production >>>> to match ADR with the original production dialogue. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Corey >>>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering >>>> www.baileyzone.net >>>> >>>> On 10/26/2016 9:29 AM, Don Cox wrote: >>>> >>>> On 24/10/2016, Lou Judson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The only way to measure it would be in a silence of the musicians, and >>>>> >>>>>> subtracting the surface noise of the disc. Usually empty room time is >>>>>> edited out. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think ambience is the complex set of reverberations and echoes >>>>>> >>>>> produced by each instrument in each position in the room. >>>>> >>>>> It isn't the noise you might detect in the same room when it is empty. >>>>> >>>>> Izotope RX detects and can remove or measure it, even show you a >>>>> >>>>>> visual representation.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps if you describe why you want to knwo wecould be more helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> <L> >>>>>> Lou Judson >>>>>> Intuitive Audio >>>>>> 415-883-2689 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:37 AM, Steven Smolian<[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ambience of the room. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List >>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lou Judson >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 2:21 PM >>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ambience >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you meaning signal to noise? Or the ambience of the room it was >>>>>>> recorded in? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>> *Pete Tinker* >>> West Hills, CA 91307 >>> 818-three/four/six-5213 >>> 818-six/nine/four-5213 /(cell)/ >>> >>> >> >> > -- > *Pete Tinker* > West Hills, CA 91307 > 818-three/four/six-5213 > 818-six/nine/four-5213 /(cell)/ > -- Ellis [log in to unmask] 818-846-5525