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I was just referring to early reflections (1st reflections off of objects
and walls) vs. reverb (which is audible as a longer tail).

Ellis

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Pete Tinker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Forgive my ignorance, Ellis.  What is the difference between "reflection"
> and "reverb?"  Natural vs artificial?  Single reflection vs total of all
> reflections?
>
>
>
> On 10/26/2016 3:41 PM, Ellis Burman wrote:
>
>> The usage Corey refers to is for "room tone" to be recorded, because the
>> location is never completely silent, and that room tone audio can be used
>> in post under ADR, or to fill gaps in production sound edits.  Ambience
>> has
>> a different meaning in the film world than say, in the music world, where
>> is often is used to describe the "liveliness" of a location.
>>
>> Good location sound recordists do, in addition to recording room tone,
>> also
>> record an impulse, that can then be used in post as Pete alluded to. The
>> impulse can then be loaded into a convolution processor to re-create the
>> sound (reflections, reverb) of the set for mixing ADR or added Foley.
>>
>> Ellis
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Pete Tinker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Corey, wouldn't you require a test sound to be recorded on the "silent"
>>> set?  I can't see a way to get useful information in the absence of
>>> recording actual reflections of a known sound.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/26/2016 12:35 PM, Corey Bailey wrote:
>>>
>>> Merriam-Webster defines "Ambience" as:
>>>>
>>>>    1.
>>>>
>>>>       :  a feeling or mood associated with a particular place, person,
>>>>       or thing : atmosphere
>>>>       <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atmosphere>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the production side of the film/TV industry, the location mixer will
>>>> often ask for "Quiet on the Set" so the room tone (ambience or part of
>>>> atmospheres collection) can be recorded to be later used in post
>>>> production
>>>> to match ADR with the original production dialogue.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Corey
>>>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
>>>> www.baileyzone.net
>>>>
>>>> On 10/26/2016 9:29 AM, Don Cox wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 24/10/2016, Lou Judson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The only way to measure it would be in a silence of the musicians, and
>>>>>
>>>>>> subtracting the surface noise of the disc. Usually empty room time is
>>>>>> edited out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think ambience is the complex set of reverberations and echoes
>>>>>>
>>>>> produced by each instrument in each position in the room.
>>>>>
>>>>> It isn't the noise you might detect in the same room when it is empty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Izotope RX detects and can remove or measure it, even show you a
>>>>>
>>>>>> visual representation..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps if you describe why you want  to knwo wecould be more helpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <L>
>>>>>> Lou Judson
>>>>>> Intuitive Audio
>>>>>> 415-883-2689
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:37 AM, Steven Smolian<[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ambience of the room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lou Judson
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 2:21 PM
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ambience
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you meaning signal to noise? Or the ambience of the room it was
>>>>>>> recorded in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> *Pete Tinker*
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