Were Walter Scott a Sir once more!  Robbing him of his title has caused
great confusion with our users.


Will Evans

National Endowment for the Humanities

Chief Librarian in Charge of Technical Services

Library of the Boston Athenaeum

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*From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
*On Behalf Of *Moore, Richard
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:15 AM
*To:* [log in to unmask]
*Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] To Sir or not to Sir

I agree. Other term of rank, honour or office was added to RDA to cover
this kind of addition. I’m familiar with it because I wrote the proposal.
The heading you have is RDA-acceptable, and it would be contrary to PCC
policy to change it.

We keep seeing cases where perfectly valid headings have been wrongly
changed when recoding a record to RDA. If the heading has a valid RDA
structure, and reflects the person’s usage, PCC policy does not allow it to
be changed.




Richard Moore

Authority Control Team Manager

The British Library

Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546104

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<[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Robert J. Rendall
*Sent:* 05 August 2015 22:45
*To:* [log in to unmask]
*Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] To Sir or not to Sir

"Sir" is an "other term of rank, honour or office."  RDA currently
says that you may include it in an AAP even if there is no need to
distinguish between access points.  And the LC-PCC PS says not to change an
existing heading merely to remove it.  I'm not sure that's what they said
back when the dreaded 667 was added, but I think you're OK now.


Robert Rendall

Principal Serials Cataloger

Original and Special Materials Cataloging, Columbia University Libraries

102 Butler Library, 535 West 114th Street, New York, NY 10027

tel.: 212 851 2449  fax: 212 854 5167

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Stephen Early <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I know I should know this by now, but I don’t know it by now, and I’m
getting lost navigating RDA, PS’s, NACO, etc. (which I should all have
memorized by now, but I don’t) in a time-consuming but failed attempt to
finally know it by now.

So I’m going to take the easy way out and just ask:

Does an authority record originally established as

Smith, John, Sir, 1855-1900


need  to be re-established as:

“Smith, John, 1855-1900”

with a cross reference to:

“Smith, John, Sir, 1855-1900”

In order for it to be fully RDA compliant?

Stephen T. Early


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