Were Walter Scott a Sir once more!  Robbing him of his title has caused great confusion with our users.




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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Moore, Richard
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] To Sir or not to Sir


I agree. Other term of rank, honour or office was added to RDA to cover this kind of addition. I’m familiar with it because I wrote the proposal. The heading you have is RDA-acceptable, and it would be contrary to PCC policy to change it.


We keep seeing cases where perfectly valid headings have been wrongly changed when recoding a record to RDA. If the heading has a valid RDA structure, and reflects the person’s usage, PCC policy does not allow it to be changed.






Richard Moore

Authority Control Team Manager

The British Library


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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert J. Rendall
Sent: 05 August 2015 22:45
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] To Sir or not to Sir


"Sir" is an "other term of rank, honour or office."  RDA currently says that you may include it in an AAP even if there is no need to distinguish between access points.  And the LC-PCC PS says not to change an existing heading merely to remove it.  I'm not sure that's what they said back when the dreaded 667 was added, but I think you're OK now.


Robert Rendall

Principal Serials Cataloger

Original and Special Materials Cataloging, Columbia University Libraries

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tel.: 212 851 2449  fax: 212 854 5167


On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Stephen Early <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I know I should know this by now, but I don’t know it by now, and I’m getting lost navigating RDA, PS’s, NACO, etc. (which I should all have memorized by now, but I don’t) in a time-consuming but failed attempt to finally know it by now.


So I’m going to take the easy way out and just ask:


Does an authority record originally established as


Smith, John, Sir, 1855-1900



need  to be re-established as:

“Smith, John, 1855-1900”


with a cross reference to:

“Smith, John, Sir, 1855-1900”


In order for it to be fully RDA compliant?


Stephen T. Early


Center for Research Libraries

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