The XSD schema used to denote suggested units as 'pages, minutes, etc.' The outline of elements and attributes still does. Chris Putnam's bibutils had to address this almost a decade ago. Postel would tell you to import both and to export only 'pages'. Also note that we've also talked about how to represent a reference that is on a single page. Don't know where that is now, but I remember Chris had changed bibutils to emit: <detail type="page"><number>3</number></detail> rather than your example: <extent unit="pages"> <start>3</start> </extent> --Rick