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I agree with Adam's point about possibly needing a qualifier for "Negras,"
but would note that none of the stories in either of the versions of the
collection titled "Las negras" includes a story with that title, and that
the collection title relates to the overall theme of the stories. So in
this case, there's no reason yet to add a qualifier.

Stephen

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Adam L. Schiff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Stephen wrote:
> "If for some reason I did choose to create a NAR for this title, I would
> be inclined to choose Negras as the Preferred title.  The Work AAP would
> then be Arroyo Pizarro, Yolanda. Negras."
> Not so fast! If there is a short story also with the same title, you have
> a conflict that needs to be resolved.  The collection AAP would need a
> qualifier, e.g.
> Arroyo Pizarro, Yolanda. Negras (Collection)
> or
> Arroyo Pizarro, Yolanda. Negras (Anthology)
> --Adam Schiff
> University of Washington Libraries
> _____________________________
> From: McDonald, Stephen <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: When one compilation-work becomes a different one
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
> [I am deleting a lot of the earlier discussion in the thread, to keep
> article size down]
>
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>
> Yang,
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>
>
> Again, you are confusing the Preferred Title with the Authorized Access
> Point.  The Preferred Title does not have to be distinguished from other
> Preferred Titles.  It is the rules for Authorized Access Points (6.27)
> which detail how to add qualifiers to Preferred Titles to create AAPs.
> Preferred Titles themselves do not include qualifiers, ever.  Preferred
> Titles can conflict with other Preferred Titles.
>
>
>
> I will assume you are actually asking about Authorized Access Points,
> rather than Preferred Title.  I do not have this particular title in hand.
> But based on what I know so far, my first instinct would be to not even
> bother making a Work NAR for the collection—the same decision as you find
> in OCLC #809833452.  If I have no reason to believe that any of the short
> stories in the collection have previously been published separately, there
> is really no need to create an NAR for the Work, just as there is no need
> to create NARs for most monographs.  That may change in the future as we
> move toward Bibframe, but right now, I don’t need to create an NAR.  The
> Preferred Title would be the 245$a field, and the AAP would be the 100 plus
> 245$a.
>
>
>
> If for some reason I did choose to create a NAR for this title, I would be
> inclined to choose Negras as the Preferred title.  The Work AAP would then
> be Arroyo Pizarro, Yolanda. Negras.  Again, there is no reason to believe
> these stories have been published separately, so their entire existence is
> part of this collective Work.  The component stories have not been compiled
> from other sources; there is no reason not to treat it as a coherent whole.
>
>
>
> If one or more of the stories had been published previously in a different
> collection or singly, I would check whether this is the first time this set
> of stories have been published as a compilation.  If the compilation has
> had other names, then I would almost certainly use a conventional
> collective title.  Next I would ask myself, “If a reference source talks
> about this collection, would they use a particular name for it?  If they
> do, would they be talking about this particular Expression, or about a
> conceptual collection of these stories, i.e. the compilation as a Work?”
> If I decide that the collection does have a name that it is known by _*as
> a Work*_, I would use that as my Preferred Title and base my AAP on that
> title.  As I noted above, if this is a collection of original stories not
> previously published, I would probably decide that this collection would
> continue to be known by that name.
>
>
>
> If I choose to use a conventional collective title, and the author has
> written other things besides short stories, then the Preferred Title would
> be Short Stories. Selections.  The AAP would then be Arroyo Pizarro,
> Yolanda. Short Stories. Selections, probably with a parenthetical
> qualifier.  (The LC-PCC PS says to not predict conflict, but I probably
> would add a qualifier even if there were no other collections by this
> author with that conventional collective title).  I could use Negras as the
> parenthetical qualifier, but I would be more likely to use the date.  There
> are numerous other possible qualifiers.
>
>
>
> If I chose Negras as the qualifier, there would still be no conflict with
> a short story by that same name.  The Work AAP for the collection would be
> “Arroyo Pizarro, Yolanda. Short Stories. Selections (Negras)”, while the
> AAP for the short story would be “Arroyo Pizarro, Yolanda. Negras.”  They
> are clearly distinct AAPs.
>
>
>
> As for your question about Orestea:  if the 240 field is “Orestea”, it
> represents part of the AAP for the compilation; the full AAP is the 100
> plus 240.  Since the 240 does not include qualifiers, it also happens to
> represent the Preferred Title of the compilation.  If the 240 were
> “Godzilla (1989)”, then the Preferred Title is “Godzilla”, without the
> qualifier.  MARC is not designed for RDA.  RDA requires both the AAP and
> the Preferred Title to be recorded, but MARC does not have separate fields
> for Preferred Title and AAP.  Instead, the 1xx plus 240 or 245 represent
> the AAP, and the Preferred Title is merely part of the 240 or 245.
>
>
>
>
> Steve McDonald
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> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> GOV <[log in to unmask]>]*On Behalf Of *Yang Wang
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2016 11:25 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] When one compilation-work becomes a different one
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> Yes, we were discussing “how to construct a Preferred Title.” I used the
> Name/Title AAPs for the purpose of illustration.  When “Orestea” is in 240
> field in the bib,  does it represent preferred title of the compilation?
>
>
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> As for qualifiers, if “Les negras” also happened to be the title of a
> short story in the compilation, what would you choose for the “preferred
> title” for the compilation? How would you distinguish one from the other?
>
>
>
> Yang
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>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> GOV <[log in to unmask]>]*On Behalf Of *McDonald, Stephen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2016 10:45 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] When one compilation-work becomes a different one
>
>
>
> You are confusing the Preferred Title with the Authorized Access Point.
> We were discussing 6.2.2.10, which describes how to construct a Preferred
> Title.  Preferred Titles do not include distinguishing qualifiers—those are
> added when constructing Authorized Access Points.  See 6.27 for the rules
> for constructing Authorized Access Points from Preferred Titles.
>
>
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>
> Steve McDonald
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> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> GOV <[log in to unmask]>]*On Behalf Of *Yang Wang
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 4:21 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] When one compilation-work becomes a different one
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>
> Steve:
>
>
>
> Yes, to be frank, I am reading 6.2.2.10.3 basically the same way. It is
> difficult for me to regard a compilation like “Las Negras” as a having a
> “commonly known title” in the same way as I think of the trilogy of
> *Orestea* by Aeschylus.  The title of the latter can be found in all
> sorts of reference books and other resources. It is therefore essential to
> establish the Name/Title as “Aeschylus. ‡t Oresteia” (ARN4417723=LCCN no
> 97050641).  Various compilations of poems by Horace, such as Odes, Epodes,
> Satires (Sermones), Epistles, have “less commonly known” as well as
> “commonly known” titles,  for which, obviously, preferred titles must be
> established. So, I do use the first instruction of 6.2.2.10 when cataloging
> such  compilations, taking into account the long history of textual
> transmission.
>
>
>
> LC/PCC instruction for 6.2.2.10.3 provides us a guideline for treating a
> compilation of “more than two works” which I find both useful and logical,
> but somewhat limiting in that it does not seem to encourage the use of
> “parenthetical qualifiers.” In an earlier message, I expressed my
> preference to using such a qualifier:  100 1#Arroyo Pizarro, Yolanda. $t
> Short stories. $k Selections (Golpes de gracia) (ARN10333589 =LCCNno2015159874).
> The original title*Golpes de gracia* is still there and is easily
> searchable in the bib (245) and in the authority file (400). The advantage
> of doing this, instead of a generic “Short stories. Selections,” is
> multifaceted and far-reaching, as I mentioned previously. So, I don’t see
> why we cannot construct a preferred title like 100 1# Arroyo Pizarro,
> Yolanda. $t Short stories. $k Selections (Las negras), instead of a
> nondescriptArroyo Pizarro, Yolanda. $t Negras, the former being more
> descriptive and precise than the latter.
>
>
>
> English cataloging institutions would benefit from having this type of
> conventional collective titles when dealing with non-Latin materials
> (Arabic, Persian, Hebrew, CJK, etc.). From a user’s perspective, when doing
> a Name/Title search under a specific author, one could clearly identify at
> first sight what these compilations are. For catalogers, it means that each
> new compilation would have to have a new N/T authority record. More NACO
> work, to be sure, but more benefit for all. That was the intent of my
> original message.
>
>
>
> Yang
>
>
>


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