And I would say that if the access point includes birth and/or death dates, the fuller form is not important for identification, and probably not in many other
cases.
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No, it doesn’t. It says to include it when not necessary,
if the cataloguer considers it important for identification.
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See my latest post, where LCPS says to include it even when not necessary.
Gene
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Moore, Richard <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Perhaps because $q is only required if needed to distinguish one authorized access point
from another (RDA 9.19.1.4), or, optionally, if the cataloguer considers it important for identification (corresponding LC-PCC-PS).
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Will check, but why isn't there a $q in the 100 field?
Gene
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:14 AM, Prochazka,David <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Yes, adding such references from former versions of a headings are VERY useful for automated updating of access points
on bibliographic records in some ILSs, e.g. III.
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The previously established form should also be recorded in a 4XX field. Over the weekend I closed out Fidel Castro's dates, and earlier this week I was contacted by LC because I did not include
a reference from the former form. I did not think such a reference was normally made, but I was pointed to the FAQ on personal names:
https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/naco/personnamefaq.html#13
Example 2
AACR2:
100 1 $a Walter, David, ‡d 1948-
RDA:
100 1 $a Walter, David, ‡d 1948-2012
400 1 $a Walter, David, ‡d 1948- $w nne
a) Date of death added and record recoded to RDA
b) Reference is valid under RDA
So, your record should probably look like this:
100 1 Espenshade, Edward B., ǂc Jr., ǂd 1910-2008
375 Males $2 lcdgt
377 eng
378 $q Edward Bowman
400 1 Espenshade, Edward Bowman, ǂd 1910- ǂw nnea
Note that the fuller form of name should have been recorded in 378 as above. I updated the 375 to reflect current PCC policy to prefer controlled vocabulary
for this element, and the recommendations that PCC Policy Committee have recently approved from the ad hoc group on coding gender:
http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/PoCo-2016/Gender_375%20field_RecommendationReport.pdf Finally, I believe that the coding of the $w in the 400 in this case should be nnea because there's no evidence that the name without Jr. in it represents usage
of the person, so in this case the previous AACR2 form is not a valid reference in RDA.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
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Not only is Jr. part of Espenshade's preferred name, but the evidence in the 670s indicates that his
name is Edward B. Espenshade, Jr. In other words, his middle name should be represented by an initial. As Bob indicated, when making a change to an authorized access point, you have to evaluate the name as to whether it reflects the preferred name according
to RDA. Older authority records like this are especially likely to deviate from that standard, even if they have been coded RDA by machine.
Also, best practice is to put 040 $e before $c for consistency.
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Subject: [PCCLIST] n 50083205 and adding Jr. when upgrading names
I recently closed n 50083205 Espenshade, Edward Bowman,
‡d 1910- , which was already coded as the RDA form, to Espenshade, Edward Bowman,
‡d 1910-2008 . It has been pointed out to me that the source I quoted and some bibliographical records have “Jr.” as part of the name. Should I therefore
have upgraded the name to Espenshade, Edward Bowman, ‡c Jr., ‡d 1910-2008 ? I had the idea somehow that when closing dates, if the name is indicated to be RDA or RDA-compatible, for the sake of not making needless changes, you accept the name heading as is
and you don’t completely re-cast the name into an RDA form unless there is either an error in the name or the date or it has the dreaded 667 note.
e.g. In adding the death date to Espenshade, Gilbert H. ‡q (Gilbert Howry), ‡d 1912- you would not re-cast the
name as Espenshade, Gilbert H., ‡d 1912-1992, even though that is a valid RDA form, since the current form is equally valid under RDA. But if it turned up that he was born in 1913 or that his middle name was Lowry and not Howry, then you could re-cast the
name to Espenshade, Gilbert L., ‡d 1913-1992.
So I guess another of asking this question is: Is the absence of “Jr” in the name considered an error?
Jay Shorten
Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources
Associate Professor of Bibliography
Catalog Department
University Libraries
University of Oklahoma
Co-owner, PERSNAME-L, the list about personal names in bibliographic and authority records
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