Graham, out of curiosity, what is the status of a hard copy book vs. a paperback of the same text? It looks like they would be separate works, based on your chart. If so, that is a different approach from the library world, where the content, not the container, determines the work, and even the expression (and in current data, even the manifestation).
On 1/25/17 1:35 AM, Graham Bell wrote:
[log in to unmask]" type="cite">This is interesting, in that it aligns BIBFRAME more closely with the <indecs> conceptual model often used in the commercial world.
In contrast to FRBR, <indecs> tends to model publications with three entities, abstraction, manifestation and item, rather than the well-known four part FRBR WEMI stack. In particular, see section 8. Creations in the <indecs> Principles, model and data dictionary paper. In essence, an indecs:abstraction is often called an indecs:work, and is very close to a frbr:expression, and a frbr:work is best understood in an <indecs> context as a network or directed graph of inter-related indecs:works. The relationships between indecs:works are events like translation, compilation, abridgement and so on. There are other events, like typesetting a book, recording an audiobook or a song, that relate works to their manifestations.
[NB there is often a terminological confusion here, because in <indecs>, these events are called expressions.]
So we have:
work|expression ≈ work (ISTC)| |manifestation = manifestation (ISBN)| |item = item
In <indecs>, works are often related to other works, and the relationships indicate a change in the underlying content. Somebody applies some intellectual effort to derive one work from another (e.g. translating it to create a second work, revising it to create a second edition, abridging it, adding illustrations to create an illustrated edition, adapting it to create a play, compiling separate poems or short stories into an anthology etc). The IP encompassed in the work is modified because someone does some work on it. And because the relationships are a directed graph, you can tell the difference between a translation of an abridgement and an abridgement of a translation. Of course, somewhere in the graph of works is ‘the original’ which is not derived from any other work, a kind of 'ur-work' on which the others are all directly or indirectly based – Män som hattar kvinnor in a graph that also contains The girl with the dragon tattoo, Les Hommes qui n'aimaient pas les femmes and Verblendung – but they are a group of related peers, rather than the ur-work having any special position in the graph.
In practical terms, <indecs> is used as the underlying basis for metadata standards like ONIX (books, e-books), EIDR (films and TV), DDEX (recorded music), and for the DOI framework and the ISTC identifier.
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On 24 Jan 2017, at 15:22, Denenberg, Ray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
The question, I think, comes down to this: If there is a Work, in a given language – English for example - and that work gets translated into a different language – French, for example; are the English and French versions a single Work or separate Works. (Is this a reasonable reformulation of the question?)
They are two different Works. They can be related to each another via property bf:hasTranslation, and its inverse, bf:translationOf. So for example English is the original language of Guns of August and there is a French translation:
a bf:Work ;
hasTranslation <http://bibframe.example.org/work/gunsOfAugustFrench> .
a bf:Work ;
isTranslationOf <http://bibframe.example.org/work/gunsOfAugustEnglish> .
I was hoping to come up with a real-life BIBFRAME example from our conversion, but unfortunately this idea doesn’t work well based on marc records, because although the marc record may tell you that there is a French translation, it doesn’t tell you where it is, and some sort of matching algorithm has to come into play. We haven’t quite gotten that far yet, which is why I cannot produce a real example yet.
However, as a placeholder, say you have the English (original) and you simply want to express that there is a French translation (but you don’t yet know where):
a bf:Work ;
hasTranslation [rdfs:label “French translation” ] .
Please note that I have only considered the simple case where there is an original, and a translation of the original. There are possible complicating factors: There may not be one single “original” language; or there may be, but a particular translation isn’t translated directly from the original but rather from an intermediate translation. I don’t have answers to these situations.
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