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It's also worth noting the AAT contains a lot of functions and occupations relevant to EAD/EAC-CPF descriptions. Ethan On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:45 AM, L. Rebecca Johnson Melvin <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Interesting to climb the AAT tree back up to "associated concepts facet" - > take a look. > > We don't often remember that literary genres (bodice-rippers) can be found > in AAT. > > re archivists and MARC: working in an academic setting, I can argue that > we have always paid attention to the ideal of integration of archival > holdings into our online catalog with attention to MARC output from EAD > records. enormously helpful! > > > > L. Rebecca Johnson Melvin > Librarian and Curator, Joseph R. Biden, Jr., Senatorial Papers > University of Delaware Library > 181 South College Avenue > Newark, DE 19717-5267 > 302.831.6089 <(302)%20831-6089> / 302.831.1046 <(302)%20831-1046> (fax) > [log in to unmask] > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Jane Stevenson < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Possibly a can of worms I’ve opened up here, but its really useful to get >> some feedback to help me with advising archivists what to put into this >> field. I usually have to stand at the front and sound like I know what I’m >> talking about when I advise on cataloguing….. >> >> > I think Jane's statement is about the conflation of genre and format. >> >> >> Yes, I wanted to understand a bit more about why that is the case. >> >> > My understanding has always been that the <genreform> element in EAD >> was intended to correspond to the 655 field in MARC. If you read the 655 >> field definition at http://loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd655.html, you'll >> notice the language describing <genreform> is very similar. >> >> I should have thought of looking at MARC - I don’t ever use it myself - I >> think there is more importance placed on the cross walk from MARC to EAD in >> the US than in the UK? Here archivists rarely refer to MARC. So, that’s >> useful as something I can reference. >> >> >> > Controlled vocabularies combine genre and form because there is no >> clear-cut way to differentiate these and there is very little point in >> arguing about which list a term should be in. >> >> >> I think that may be another argument, along with basing this on MARC. But >> it does feel a little wrong to combine ‘diaries, romance, account books, >> comedy’ (OK, I’ve gone for an extreme example). >> >> > A memoir can be published in a diary, or a monograph, online as a blog, >> or as a docudrama on television. Disambiguating between genre and format >> (if by format we mean physical or electronic medium) is difficult, but is >> done routinely within the museum realm. >> >> >> Yes - I guess my feeling is that at times it seems important to >> distinguish them…but then I come back to the fact that it can all get a bit >> tricky…. >> >> > diaries are only form/physical characterics?! So, my *memoir* can be a >> genre, but my *diary* can only be a form? Surely you want memoirs and >> diaries to be on the same list of options. >> >> >> Ha. Yes. I thought of diaries as one example where I get confused. Is a >> diary a form? Surely the form would be how it was physically represented? >> Shouldn’t a diary be a ‘style’, which is really a genre? >> >> I’m not sure I’m closer to clarity, but its helpful to have a discussion! >> >> cheers, >> Jane >> >> >> >> >> > On 26 Apr 2017, at 15:10, Bowers, Kate A. <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> > >> > Wait--so you are definitely telling me "diaries" are not a genre of >> writing? In AAT diaries are in the physical object facet. Now, about that >> diary I kept on my PDA and now I keep in the cloud... >> > >> > Kate Bowers >> > Collections Services Archivist for Metadata, Systems, and Standards >> > Harvard University Archives >> > [log in to unmask] >> > 617.496.2713 >> > voice: (617) 998-5238 >> > fax: (617) 495-8011 >> > web: http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:hul.eresource:archives >> > Twitter: @k8_bowers >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Encoded Archival Description List <[log in to unmask]> on >> behalf of Ethan Gruber <[log in to unmask]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:01 AM >> > To: [log in to unmask] >> > Subject: Re: [EAD] Genre and Form >> > >> > A memoir can be published in a diary, or a monograph, online as a blog, >> or as a docudrama on television. Disambiguating between genre and format >> (if by format we mean physical or electronic medium) is difficult, but is >> done routinely within the museum realm. Fortunately, the Getty AAT has >> organized their vocabulary in a way that allows us to disambiguate genre >> and format. >> > >> > Ruth, EAD 2002 doesn't have @localtype, but it does have @type, which >> is functionally equivalent. >> > >> > Ethan >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Bowers, Kate A. < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> > Controlled vocabularies combine genre and form because there is no >> clear-cut way to differentiate these and there is very little point in >> arguing about which list a term should be in. >> > >> > Quoting from the MARC format 655, which covers genre, form, and >> physical characteristics >> > "Examples of genre terms for textual materials are: biographies, >> catechisms, essays, hymns, or reviews. Examples of form and physical >> characteristic terms are: daybooks, diaries, directories, journals, >> memoranda, questionnaires, syllabi, or time sheets. " >> > >> > Well, that's nice--diaries are only form/physical characterics?! So, my >> *memoir* can be a genre, but my *diary* can only be a form? Surely you want >> memoirs and diaries to be on the same list of options. >> > >> > >> > Kate Bowers >> > Collections Services Archivist for Metadata, Systems, and Standards >> > Harvard University Archives >> > [log in to unmask] >> > 617.496.2713 >> > voice: (617) 998-5238 >> > fax: (617) 495-8011 >> > web: http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:hul.eresource:archives >> > Twitter: @k8_bowers >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Encoded Archival Description List <[log in to unmask]> on >> behalf of Jane Stevenson <[log in to unmask]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:29 AM >> > To: [log in to unmask] >> > Subject: [EAD] Genre and Form >> > >> > HI there, >> > >> > i’ve never been quite clear about the <genreform> tag. >> > >> > >> > The EAD2002 and EAD3 guide says: >> > >> > "A term that identifies the types of material being described, by >> naming the style or technique of their intellectual content (genre); order >> of information or object function (form); and physical characteristics. >> Examples include: account books, architectural drawings, portraits, short >> stories, sound recordings, and videotapes.” >> > >> > But genre is a style, like ‘gothic’ architecture or ‘romantic’ >> literature or ‘garage’ music. So, you might say the ‘form’ is a short story >> or a videotape, but the genre is ‘comedy’ or ‘documentary’. >> > >> > It just doesn’t seem like these are the same thing and I’ve never >> understood why they are put together. >> > >> > I just wondered if anyone has any thoughts on this. I’ve just never >> been able to convey it to our contributors in a way that makes sense to me >> because describing something as a ’short story’ seems very different from >> describing its style as, say, ‘romantic’ in terms of genre. I’ve never >> understood why we put these together. >> > >> > cheers, >> > Jane >> > >> > Jane Stevenson >> > Archives Hub Service Manager >> > [log in to unmask] >> > >> > Jisc is a registered charity (number 1149740) and a company limited by >> guarantee which is registered in England under Company No. 5747339, VAT No. >> GB 197 0632 86. Jisc’s registered office is: One Castlepark, Tower Hill, >> Bristol, BS2 0JA. 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