The groupings, as far as I know, are longstanding (since at least the Renaissance) and pretty definitive. There are four main groups in Cicero’s “oeuvre”: letters (epistulae); speeches (orationes); philosophical works (philosophica); rhetorical works (rhetorica). See Brill’s New Pauly Dictionary of Greek and Latin authors and texts (2009), p. 160-190. Bob Robert L. Maxwell Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephen Hearn Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 9:46 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Classical works : Cicero Are these groupings of Cicero's works definitively established by tradition, or are there cases where a work might be contained in both groups, or where its inclusion in a group would be disputed? The Bible's Old Testament and New Testament are less definitively defined as groups in RDA than they were under AACR2. Is something similar the case for these groupings of Cicero's works? Stephen On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Robert Maxwell <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Cicero’s works are traditionally so grouped. The NARs could be improved by clarifying which works are included in each group (listing them in a 677/678 and/or recording 500 “container of (work)” relationships), but in my opinion they are fine in RDA. Bob Robert L. Maxwell Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568<tel:(801)%20422-5568> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 5:05 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Classical works : Cicero I am/was working on AAPs for Cicero's works. For some I had created a larger expression, Works. Sellections or Essays. Selections. But now I see AACR2 AAPs: Cicero. Philosophical works Cicero. Rhetorical works These have not been reviewed; dont see a 667 field. Are these still valid in RDA? Or they be more properly brought into line with RDA. Comments? Gene Fieg -- Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist Data Management & Access, University Libraries University of Minnesota 160 Wilson Library 309 19th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55455 Ph: 612-625-2328 Fx: 612-625-3428 ORCID: 0000-0002-3590-1242