Oh yes, goodness me! How did I miss that??? I was looking at the RDA Mappings and completely forgot about Appendix E. It really does take a village (of catalogers)! Thanks, Netanel! Adam From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Netanel Ganin Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:23 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Queston about "Works" authority record with qualifier Perhaps Appendix E.1? That's my go-to for punctuation/presentation of access points in solidarity, Netanel Ganin ------------------------------------------------------------ Metadata Coordinator -- Hebrew Specialty Brandeis University (781) 736-4645 / [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> My pronouns are he/him/his On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Adam L. Schiff <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Other distinguishing characteristic of expression DOES go in parentheses. See the final 4 examples in 6.27.3. The RDA mappings in the Toolkit used to show the punctuation to use, but that’s been removed from there, and I haven’t found where the punctuation guidelines for access points are available. Adam From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:00 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Queston about "Works" authority record with qualifier Adam, Thanks! You were a step ahead of me. I think I will change the authority record and put the new qualifier in an $s subfield, and remove the parentheses. Do you think there was any reason to change the qualifier, though? I would think a year is still acceptable for that purpose. Pete Wilson Vanderbilt University From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 1:55 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Queston about "Works" authority record with qualifier Pete, There should be $s in front of the parentheses. The qualifier that was added represents “other distinguishing characteristic of the expression” (RDA 6.12) and this addition is subfielded in $s. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 11:38 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Queston about "Works" authority record with qualifier Stephen, I realize that the authority record, in both previous and current form, is for an expression. However, the formulation Works (Lonergan Research Institute) seems to imply that we have here a particular work distinguished by the qualifier “Lonergan Research Institute,” rather than an expression of the work simply CC-titled “Works.” That is why I think it is an incorrect formulation. I don’t think we can distinguish a particular expression of a work by appending a parenthetical qualifier (not separately subfielded) to the preferred title for the work, right? I think we can only distinguish a work from another work that way. Pete Wilson Vanderbilt University From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of McDonald, Stephen Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 1:07 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Queston about "Works" authority record with qualifier Pete, You are mistaken. Both the old AAP and the new AAP are for an Expression, not the Work. The AAP for the Work is Lonergan, Bernard J. F. $t Works, which does not currently have an authority record. Steve McDonald [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 1:46 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [PCCLIST] Queston about "Works" authority record with qualifier Hi folks, I am curious about a “Works” name-title authority record. The NACO authority with heading Lonergan, Bernard J. F. $t Works. $f 1988 was recently changed to Lonergan, Bernard J. F. $t Works (Lonergan Research Institute) I don’t believe this is legitimate RDA usage, is it? My understanding is that there is only one “Works” work for each author, possibly with multiple expressions. The parenthetical qualifier here is at the work level, and thus distinguishes this “work” from other “works” that constitute the complete works of Lonergan. (Getting through these multiple senses of “work” is a lot of work.) That does not seem to be correct. Thanks! Pete Wilson Vanderbilt University